Timms Family photo from 1887 - details on lapel pin

[stormi]

If you Google  "Men's collar bar" 1920s you will see what we mean. You might also want to consider that the youngest child could be a boy, and yes they did wear dresses and hair bows.
Carol

Okay thanks I'm getting up to speed (I didn't even know what collar bars were) I did some basic research and it seems collar bars are visible, appearing out from holes on either side of the collar. I don't see this in the photo. Unless he has some special invisible collar bar? Forgive my ignorance

[aus*jen]

I believe the two men are not the same.  Agree with Arthur about the ears they are different.
Look also at the positioning of the ears,  Edward's ears are positioned higher on his face.  Cover
the older man's eyes and you can see most of the top of his ears.  If you cover Edward's eyes
almost half of his ears are covered leaving only the lower half.  Also Edward has a high broad
forhead, the older man has a narrow forehead in spite of his age and possible receding hairline.

Jen.

[Neale1961]

Edwards siblings:
William Henry Timms b1872 (had 1x girl b1903 but I have a good photo and sure it's not him)
Albert Ernest Timms b1874 (had 2x girls b1903&b1909 Also have a photo and sure it's not him)

There was a
William H. Timms in the Leicestershire Yeomanry (as per badge)
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D5577945

[Gadget]

We have said that it is not who the OP thinks it is.

I have checked up on the family in relevant censuses and BMDs and the dates just don't fit with any of the people that the OP has mentioned. The Leicester one that Neale mentions is a possible but William H. was born 1872 and  so would be in his mid-late 40s (48 in 1920) . There are, however, some similarities with the man with the ears. I have asked if he (Edward) had sons and, if so,what dates, etc. 

I see that the photo was supplied by a relative, probably digitally so all we have to go on to date the photo is the image. The various clothing signs have been discussed. The badge was the initial subject of this topic. However, the date the OP  gave for the photo (1887) was way out. Who these people are is still not identified.

The OP asked for a badge identification and I've suggested that he asks on the Armed Forces Board but I don't see a post there so far.

[Gadget]

A snip of William H Timms from the other thread:

Add - not sure if the two are the same ??

[Gadget]

I've found a record for a William Timms, b.c. 1885, Leicestershire. WO364 - WW1 Pension Claims
5th Lancers. Service No. 7296.

Maybe a birth  record - 11 Jan 1885, Leicester. Parents: Henry and Ann

I'm busy now but it might be worth looking up the full record

Gadget

[stormi]

Thanks for all the help, especially interesting if William was registered with the Leicestershire Yeomanry then it surely would have to be him. Here is a photo comparison of all image of William that I have for comparison to the lapel image. What do you all think.

[stormi]

Edwards siblings:
William Henry Timms b1872 (had 1x girl b1903 but I have a good photo and sure it's not him)
Albert Ernest Timms b1874 (had 2x girls b1903&b1909 Also have a photo and sure it's not him)

There was a
William H. Timms in the Leicestershire Yeomanry (as per badge)
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D5577945

Thank you for this, it has really helped narrow down that this man surely must be William. I didn't even know I could look these up, thank you.

[Gadget]

This William was even older than Edward!

See my post above:

. The Leicester one that Neale mentions is a possible but William H. was born 1872 and  so would be in his mid-late 40s (48 in 1920).

Another one here, which would be nearer the age of the person in the photo (approx 1920-1885 = 35)

I've found a record for a William Timms, b.c. 1885, Leicestershire. WO364 - WW1 Pension Claims
5th Lancers. Service No. 7296.

Maybe a birth  record - 11 Jan 1885, Leicester. Parents: Henry and Ann