Timms Family photo from 1887 - details on lapel pin

[stormi]

Is it possibly a badge of the 11th Hussars? It's hard to tell from the angle, but you can kind of see the scroll at the base, the pillar and then the peacock feathers at the top. The 'feathers' appear wider than on the official cap badge, but this may have been a decorative version, with the curved white top part possibly having the regiment name?

Were there any military connections in the family?

Cheers
Gary

Hi Gary - perhaps it could have been this. When searching I cannot seem to find 11th Hussar badges with regiments on top. But I did find the 'Prince Albert's Own Yeomanry' which seemed to just be Leicestershire. Unless there once was a Warwickshire regiment, this seems to be the closest I've found. Thank you for sending me in the right direction.

No military connection besides the usual conscription of the times as far as I know. He would have been 18 in about 1895.

[Gadget]

Have you checked his WW1 medal card, or other military records.?

[stormi]

Have you checked his WW1 medal card, or other military records.?

Hi Gadget could you point me in the right direction, would Ancestry be the only place to find that? As my subscription is currently closed.

[Gadget]

I've been looking on the competitive site    but nothing definite coming up (one a Warwickshire regiment and  another Leicestershire) . Quite a few in the destroyed/ burnt records. I think Ancestry might have some but normally they point you to Fold3. 

Did he marry Rose in 1903?

It might be worth asking on the WW1 board.

[stormi]

I've been looking on the competitive site    but nothing definite coming up (one a Warwickshire regiment and  another Leicestershire) . Quite a few in the destroyed/ burnt records. I think Ancestry might have some but normally they point you to Fold3. 

Did he marry Rose in 1903?

It might be worth asking on the WW1 board.

Yeah 1903, how did you guess? Okay I'll ask about, thank you

[Gadget]

The reason that I asked about the marriage date was because they don't seem to fit with having two young daughters circa 1920. I've not been able to find them on the 1921 census as yet. The 1911 shows them with a son and a daughter and there's another daughter born circa 1918 but no others with MMN Win*sor  Also, I didn't think that his wife looked like the insert that you labelled as Rose. I think I mentioned this in an earlier post.

My search so far has a daughter b. 1907 and one b 1918.  Have I missed any?

Puzzled.

PS - did Edward have a younger brother or a son?

[stormi]

Edward Timms 1877-1954 <married-1903> Rose Annie Windsor 1875-1954
Children:
Arthur Edward Timms b1904
Winifred Rosa Timms b1907 --- (I believe the two girls are Wini and Edith due to age difference)
Edith Ada Timms b1911 --------- |
Elsie Maud Timms b1918

Edwards siblings:
William Henry Timms b1872 (had 1x girl b1903 but I have a good photo and sure it's not him)
Albert Ernest Timms b1874 (had 2x girls b1903&b1909 Also have a photo and sure it's not him)
Annie Timms b1881
Amy Timms b1883

[stormi]

I made this closer-version comparison. When I look at the eyes for both Edward and Rose I see the same. Especially Edward seems to have a bit of a lazy left eyelid, he obviously put on weight with age and the pose isn't the same unfortunately. I tried to get the head sizes as close as I could. I think Rose may have lost weight with age.

[hepburn]

Facial similarities aren't my strong point, but I couldn't help thinking that the men's right ear lobes here (reply #16) are very different.

They are very similar and there is quite an age gap.   Ears grow larger with age. 

Hmm - I thought the older man's ear lobe was much more pronounced and rounded. Look at the angle between the lobe and the ear flap: the younger man's is scarcely noticeable, but the older man's lobe is so big as to form almost a right angle. Could such a significant change in shape be down to ageing?

 I also think the younger man's ear flap appears to turn over much more at the top (there's probably a better medical term for this), though this could be an effect of the lighting.

I agree with Arthur.One has lobes,the other doesn't! Nothiong to with age,you're born with one or the other.