Grandparents married in Hull

[Neale1961]

Hi Tim
Have you had a look at the family chart attached at the bottom of reply #74

I don’t think we spent much time on Alpha Arthur, as we were looking more at another family member. So it is possible there is more to find.
I find the best place to look for south African records is FamilySearch

[Little_Family]

Hi Neale,
Yes. Had a look at the chart. Are you confident about all the info on it?

I've realised that there's a load of info on FamilySearch but I couldn't find Alpha Arthur there. It's RootsChat that got me to James BATCHELDER so I can now use that to take the line back further.

Tim

[Neale1961]

Yes, I am confident the information I compiled for the chart is correct. It is a summary only.
There is more detail about the family in the general discussion of the thread - a lot to read through

I have looked back at my notes for this family and am adding here what might be more relevant to your search (all from Family Search):

Alpha Arthur BATCHELDER   Marriage 1904   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NWF-7D46

Keturah Elizabeth FOX born 1885 England, daughter of Albert Thomas Fox;
Died Sth Africa 23 April 1954 Cape Town


Children of Alpha Arthur Batchelder and Keturah Eliz Fox

•   Amy Gertude Batchelder born 1904; died 1963. Married 1932 to Irvine George MOIR;
•   Ida Grace Batchelder b.10 Feb 1906 Woodstock
•   Harold James Thompson Batchelder b. 10 June 1908 Mowbray; died 1962 Goodwood. 1st married 1930 J-burg to Grace STEWART; 2nd married 1951 Cape Town to Nancy RAWLINGS
•   Edna Kate Batchelder b. 18 Apr 1910 Mowbray; died 2005. Married 1940 J-Burg to Percy Douglas Skelton WIMBLE
•   Una Agnes Batchelder b. 14 Oct 1916 Cape Town; married 1940 Rolf martin NUPEN
•   Arthur Albert Noel Batchelder b. 26 Dec 1923 Booysens J-Burg; married 1948 Patricia O’ROURKE

[Neale1961]

Family background information for Keturah Elizabeth FOX / BATCHELDER ......

Albert Thomas FOX
-   born 23 Sept 1860 All Saints Poplar, Tower Hamlets
-   died 2 Oct 1929 Johannesburg.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPZM-CWXN


Keturah Agnes FOX (nee STORIE)
-   born 1860 Poplar, Tower Hamlets. Father Alexander STORIE, Mother Keturah Elizabeth DANIELS
-   died 17 June 1896, age 36. Born England abt 1860

Marriage 24 Sept 1882 - St Leonard, Bromley, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex
Albert Thomas FOX (Boiler maker) and Keturah Agnes STORIE
His father – Joseph FOX boiler maker. Mother Sarah
Her father – Alexander STORIE boiler maker


Children of Albert Thos FOX (Boiler maker) and Keturah Agnes STORIE
•   Keturah Elizabeth Fox born 19 May 1885 All Hallows, Poplar, Tower Hamlets – married Alpha Arthur BATCHELDER in Sth Africa
•   George Henry Fox born 19 Oct 1886 Poplar, Tower Hamlets
•   Sarah Anne Fox born July 1888 Poplar, Tower Hamlets, died 1888
•   Thomas Alexander Fox 1891 Sth Africa
•   Rhoda May Fox 1892 died 1892 Sth Africa
•   Agnes Janet Fox 1896 Sth Africa

[Neale1961]

Links to records to investigate for the BLOOMSTEIN family. The surname spelling is very variable.

Marriage 24 Oct 1854 Wesleyan Chapel, Stellenbosch, Western Cape
Willem Jacobus BLOEMMSTEIN to Katharina Gertruida Christiana BAREND
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CZP5-PST2

Possible death for the William James in 1872 Western  Cape
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NFZ-B8HM


Children:
Magdalena Rachel BLOMMESTEIN born 1857 Stellenbosch

Catherine Sarah BLOEMSTED baptised 26 Mar 1865 (born 29 Jan) Cape Town, Wynberg and Rondebosch
Father William (labourer), mother Catherine
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVS4-Y63V

Willem Daniel BLOEMESTEIN born 1867 Western Cape
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NXY-JSQ5

[Little_Family]

Thanks for all this info. It's filled in several gaps and will enable my research to go ahead.
Tim

[uksouthafrica]

Hello after a long absence
I need to change the topic to Frederick Warren Batchelder South Africa.
In short, my father’s birth certificate entry #259 is incorrect as it refers to the Bachelor family that returned to the UK with their 2 sons, neither of whom was my father.
The correct entry found in the Western Cape Archives and Records Service HAWC 1/3/55/3/1 for his birth is #446. Date  place of birth: 10 February 1906, 4 Lay Street, Woodstock; no name just gender Male; Father: blank space; Mother: Sophia Fletcher born Nordström; race Mixed, place: Cape Colony; when registered: 13 March 1906 Woodstock.
Other records show that my grandfather Arthur Asher Batchelder, born in 1853 in the UK, came to the Cape Colony and having married and divorced Catherine van Blommestein after having 4 children, had 3 children with Sophia Margaret [Fletcher, hence widow] neé Nordström. Her father, Johann Alfred Nordström was born in Sweden 1827 & married Margaretha Magdalina Teubes in the Cape. The latter might have been ‘mixed’. Sophia had 2 brothers mentioned in her father’s will.
So a tragic records error that was never questioned. WW11 and being a POW in Italy and Stalag 8 did not help. The International Red Cross have given me a summary of Dad’s POW record but not where the SA POW’s were sent to in the UK. I wonder why he remained in the UK for a year or more. Shell shock was real but untreated then.

[uksouthafrica]

So Mabel Bagshawe (reply #5) was correct, my dad Frederick Warren Batchelder was 16 yrs old when baptized in 1922 by which time mother Sophia had the surname Batchelder. Not sure when they married.

[Neale1961]

Thanks for returning to this thread to let us know that you finally got the records you needed for your father.

There was never any marriage record found for Arthur Asher Batchelder and Sophia Margaret.
When she died in 1948 she is recorded as Sophia FLETCHER, born NORDSTROM. No mention of the Batchelder surname.

Sophia Margaret had married Charles FLETCHER in 1890, and he died in Dec 1899. So there was no problem for her to remarry. Maybe Arthur never got a divorce from his first wife, Catherine BLOMMESTEIN. Catherine did partner with another man, but not sure that they married.