As there has been no reply from “uksouthafrica’, it seems there might be a difficulty with obtaining a clear scan of the relevant birth documents.
In order to progress this thread further, I offer the following …..
The problem appears to be due to confusion between 2 different families.
One has the surname BATCHELDER; the other is BATCHELOR.
It is important to note the different spelling, and to be aware that when saying the two names, they sound very similar.
The wrong family is BATCHELOR. They came from Hull in England (parents Frederick and Elizabeth nee Burgess)
They were in South Africa for a short period between Feb 1904 and Jan 1907. They returned to England with their children and remained there.
They did not have a son named Edward.
They had a son named Frederick Douglas (not Frederick Warren) born in 1912 England.
They had a son born Jan 1906 in Sth Africa who was later named Joseph, but whose birth may have been registered with an unknown first name.
It is not possible for this to be the correct family.
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The correct family is BATCHELDER. Arthur Asher BATCHELDER (a compositor) came from London to Cape Town, South Africa in the early 1880s, and married in Sth Africa, and died there.
He had a family of at least 7 born in South Africa (to two different “wives”), including your father Frederick Warren, and his brother Edward – who appear to have been the issue of Arthur & his second “wife” Sophia.
This family and descendants remained in South Africa, married and had their own families in Sth Africa.
Your father was named Frederick Warren BATCHELDER on his death certificate, with birth of 31 Jan 1906
Your father was named Frederick Warren BATCHELDER on his marriage
Your father was named Frederick Warren BATCHELDER on his 1922 baptism, with birth of 31 Jan 1906
You should be looking for a birth certificate with the same name with his birth at 31 Jan 1906
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At some point when acquiring Frederick Warren’s birth certificate, an error has been made, possibly because the surnames have been mis-heard and confused.
The birth record under the name BATCHELOR without a forename will be wrong.
The birth record for Joseph will also be wrong.
Without being able to see clearly the birth registrations that you have, it is not possible to know what exactly the error is, but it is possible to guess.
I draw your attention to the unanswered questions in reply # 14 of this thread.
You will need to exam with care, the birth records that you have, and look at all detail, to work out the problem.
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In the National Archives of South Africa there are the following documents regarding your family, which may be of further interest to you:
• Date 1885 ARTHUR BATCHELDER. REQUESTING EMPLOYMENT.
• Date 1894 MOTION. PETITION OF CATHERINE BATCHELDER (BORN VAN BLOMMESTEIN) TO SUE HER HUSBAND ARTHUR BATCHELDER IN FORMA PAUPERIS FOR JUDICIAL SEPARATION.
Edited after posting.
