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Offline Paul 77

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Find a Grave addresses, England
« on: Sunday 13 March 22 11:06 GMT (UK) »
Something that’s been bugging me for a while, apologies if it’s not new, but search wasn’t helpful.

On the Find-a-Grave website, it’s apparent that someone has systematically added the names of what they consider is the appropriate “unitary authority” to many (most?) cemetery locations. 

For example every cemetery location in Northumberland ends with “Northumberland Unitary Authority, Northumberland”.

I spend so much time deleting this guff from events created from these sources - it is of no relevance to standard address formats as they are normally used. 

Does anyone else think it’s been a mistake to add this info to their database?

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Re: Find a Grave addresses, England
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 13 March 22 11:27 GMT (UK) »
Presumably the information was added by the creators of the website  :-\.  Now run by Ancestry

From the one I have just looked at near to me it gives the local authority name and by selecting that it shows all of the cemeteries on the site within that Council area.  It also gives the option to search all council areas in the county.  If I was 'new' to research in that area I would find that information helpful. 

This link takes you to all of those under the Northumberland Unitary Authority 'Banner'.
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Re: Find a Grave addresses, England
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 March 22 11:38 GMT (UK) »
Presumably the information was added by the creators of the website  :-\.  Now run by Ancestry

From the one I have just looked at near to me it gives the local authority name and by selecting that it shows all of the cemeteries on the site within that Council area.  It also gives the option to search all council areas in the county.  If I was 'new' to research in that area I would find that information helpful. 

This link takes you to all of those under the Northumberland Unitary Authority 'Banner'.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rcq/
I can just about see that being of limited use, if you’re trying to be sure you’ve found all the relevant locations, but I believe it shouldn’t be displayed as part of the address the way they’re doing it when creating links to sources.

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Re: Find a Grave addresses, England
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 March 22 11:45 GMT (UK) »
The trouble is it is part of the website and not put on by the people submitting records, it looks as though the problem you have can only be sorted by Ancestry.com
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Re: Find a Grave addresses, England
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 March 22 11:55 GMT (UK) »
This is the page that causes the problem
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery-browse/England/Northumberland?id=state_4235

Clicking on their list of Counties on this link you can see how they have divided up other counties into districts
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery-browse/England?id=country_5

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Re: Find a Grave addresses, England
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 13 March 22 12:37 GMT (UK) »
This is the page that causes the problem
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery-browse/England/Northumberland?id=state_4235

Clicking on their list of Counties on this link you can see how they have divided up other counties into districts
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery-browse/England?id=country_5

Yes, and I suppose because Northumberland is a one tier county, it’s already superfluous information. If you were to check say Hampshire,  you get all the districts including Portsmouth and Southampton.  Both areas are unitary authorities within the geographic county but I still don’t think they are needed as part of the location name or addresses...

In other words, where they read  “XYZ cemetery, Southampton, Southampton Unitary Authority, Hampshire, <postcode>“;  the second Southampton &UA is also unnecessary.

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Re: Find a Grave addresses, England
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 13 March 22 12:50 GMT (UK) »
I had asked this question some time back on a FindaGrave forum and the answer was that they are current addresses.
I find it damn annoying when editing or creating grave sites.

Something that’s been bugging me for a while, apologies if it’s not new, but search wasn’t helpful.

On the Find-a-Grave website, it’s apparent that someone has systematically added the names of what they consider is the appropriate “unitary authority” to many (most?) cemetery locations. 

For example every cemetery location in Northumberland ends with “Northumberland Unitary Authority, Northumberland”.

I spend so much time deleting this guff from events created from these sources - it is of no relevance to standard address formats as they are normally used. 

Does anyone else think it’s been a mistake to add this info to their database?
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Re: Find a Grave addresses, England
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 March 22 13:05 GMT (UK) »
It is worse when the place concerned is under a different local government area than when the event happened.

Warrington, for example had two parts. North of the Mersey was in Lancashire; to the south was in Cheshire. People would often report their places of birth with the appropriate county, but more commonly for the southern part, the relevant small township such as Latchford.

In 1974, the whole of Warrington was moved to the control of Cheshire County Council.

Later it became a Unitary Authority.

Find-a-Grave reports Warrington as being in Cheshire. Most of it isn't in the Traditional County. None of it is in the control of the current Cheshire County Council. It is just WRONG.
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: Find a Grave addresses, England
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 13 March 22 13:15 GMT (UK) »
I do agree with you Paul that listing Northumberland as it is needs changing to break it into smaller districts.

Perhaps they should be entering them all as they were before local government reorganisation in 1974 - County councils with the Rural and Urban district councils that came under them and not forgetting London indexed as it was as LCC before the GLC was formed in 1965.  ;D

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