Ellington? 1851 Census birth location for Smith family

[3lle00]

Hi, I'm trying to decipher the birth locations for my Smith family who were gypsies so I'm aware that births were not registered and they often don't appear in the censuses as I have found out already. However I cannot make out where this birth location could be for Esther Smith b. 1847 see attached.

Any help appreciated, from a Google search all I could see was Ellington Lodge .

* I could also ask the same for Rosetta Smith b. Helmington, Essex?
Wife Elizabeth Smith born Baldee (Baldock) Hertfordshire (this is another question in itself though she is nee Lee.

[rutht22000]

Hi

There is an Allington, near Eastleigh that could be the one for Esther. It could be the enumerator misheard maybe?

There's also a Helmingham in Suffolk which of course borders Essex but I'm less sure on that one 

[3lle00]

Oh thank you! Yes they did gander into suffolk as travellers so that it possible too!

[bearkat]

Could it be Ellington, Hunts?

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HUN/Ellington

[Norfolkman47]

There is also an Ellingham in Hampshire, near Ringwood on the western edge of the New Forest. I've played cricket there.

[softly softly]

Do you have details of the family post 1851 census.

John

[osprey]

baptisms
Elmdon, Essex 5 Jan 1845 Rosetta daughter of Frederick, chairman, & Elizabeth Smith
Wendens Ambo, Essex 14 Jan 1849 Pamelia daughter of Frederick & Elizabeth Smith
Loughton, Essex 10 Mar 1867 Frederick born 19 Dec 1850 son of Frederick, chair maker, & Elizabeth Smith

[3lle00]

Do you have details of the family post 1851 census.

John

Hi John! Its rather a difficult one. I'm not related to Esther, but rather her brother James Smith
 Here is the information I have! I was just hoping to find some info as to if mother Elizabeth was the actual mother as I know the kids moved around bit within the Gypsy community. *This is the same family connected to the known *Gypsy Smith.

Here is the info on births from the Census that they appear on.

Rosetta Smith - b. 1845 Helmington, Essex - 1851 Census,
                       b. 1845 - NK, 1871 Census (married to Edward Thorpe)
                       b. 1846, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, 1891 Census
                       b. 1859 NK, 1901 (?)
b. 1845-d. 1912

Esther Smith - b. 1847 Ellington Hampshire - 1851 Census.
There is not other info for her neither can I find a suitable death or marriage

Pamella Smith b. 1849 Wendons ambo - 1851 Census
                      b. 1844 Wendons ambo - 1881 Census (married James Shoesmith)
Died 1902 Romford


Frederick Smith b. 1851, Bakers, Suffolk - 1851 Census
                        b. 1853, Loughton, Essex, 1881 Census had married Caroline Smith
                        b. 1851, NK 1891 Census
                        b. 1851, Bury St Edmonds 1901 Census
                        b. 1851 Bury St Edmonds 1911 Census
Haven't looked at 1921 census yet


James Smith- b.1860 Brentwood Essex, 1881 census
                     b. 1860 Brentwood 1891 Census
                     b. 1860 Brentwood 1901 Census
                      b. 1861 England 1911 Census
also in 1939 register

Edward Smith- b. 1864- Loughton Essex 1881 Census.

Hope that all makes sense

 

[3lle00]

baptisms
Elmdon, Essex 5 Jan 1845 Rosetta daughter of Frederick, chairman, & Elizabeth Smith
Wendens Ambo, Essex 14 Jan 1849 Pamelia daughter of Frederick & Elizabeth Smith
Loughton, Essex 10 Mar 1867 Frederick born 19 Dec 1850 son of Frederick, chair maker, & Elizabeth Smith

Hi, Im aware father Frederick was a Chairman, were these on the births too? I can find them on ancestry/family search etc but with no images
Thanks