Mary Burns m. Patrick O'Rourke

[philiprourke]

Looking for information on the above in Fermanagh. The marriage gave 6 sons Francis, John, Philip, James Daniel & Patrick between 1838-50
Patrick O'Rourke, b. abt 1820Fermanagh was said to be from Shanmullagh, Fermanagh by his sonPhilip and Philip recorded that he was born in Knocknahunsin (spelling?).
Mary Burns also Fermanagh b.1820 is thought to have lived close to the Lietrim border, possibly Tievebunion.
Mary is next found in 1854 (marriage) Bothwell, Scotland with 5 of her sons (Francis emigrated to Archbald, Penn. USA) in late 1850's and was located. her husband Patrick may have died around 1850' and Mary m. Bernard Short in the 1854 Bothwell marriage. Have the tracked the family in Scotland, but looking for any information on both Mary and Patrick in Fermanagh, and their parentage

[aghadowey]

If they were Catholic then you probably need to start searching parish registers-
https://registers.nli.ie/

[scotmum]

If you have tracked the family in Scotland, what is on Mary's death certificate regarding parent/s?

Was this her death:

SHORT
MARY
46
BURNS
1866
652/2 298
Old Monkland (Middle District)

the Burns on index being MMN.

[Kiltaglassan]

Just some information on the townlands that you've quoted-

Patrick O'Rourke, b. abt 1820 Fermanagh was said to be from Shanmullagh, Fermanagh......

Three Shanmullagh townlands in Co Fermanagh:
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/tirkennedy/trory/ballycassidy/shanmullagh/
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/clanawley/cleenish/lisbofin/shanmullagh/
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/lurg/magheraculmoney/magheraculmoney/shanmullagh/

....Philip recorded that he was born in Knocknahunsin (spelling?).

Knocknahunshin townland
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/magheraboy/boho/glenkeel/knocknahunshin/

......lived close to the Lietrim border, possibly Tievebunion.

You probably meant Tievebunnan in the civil parish of Boho, and about 5km from the Co Leitrim border.
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/clanawley/boho/lattone/tievebunnan/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3898843#map=14/54.3564/-7.9612

[scotmum]

The 1854 Burns/Short marriage was Church of Scotland.

[philiprourke]

Thank you all for your quick replies, I did send replies, but to be honest haven't used RootsChat for many years and just getting to grips with the messaging system. I think I sent the replies as PM's.
I have been through the issues you raised, including the NI records.
Mary & Patrick were Catholic, although Mary m Bernard Short in non Catholic church in Scotland 1854.
We do have DNA contacts to a Burns descendant but can't confirm any Facts in Irish records to-date.
Philip's references to Shanmullagh  we believe is in Cleenish and is Close to Knocknahunsin. The DNA match is with a Burns descendent with ancestors in Tievebunnion, Also have a 1901 Web Ireland census for a John Burns & family living in Tievebunnion, who may be a brother or cousin. But still missing records of Patrick or Mary in Fermanagh. Mary's parents are recorded(at Mary's death) as John Burns & Mary Burns, not sure if this is the mother's MS or not.

[Kiltaglassan]

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The DNA match is with a Burns descendent with ancestors in Tievebunnion, Also have a 1901 Web Ireland census for a John Burns & family living in Tievebunnion, who may be a brother or cousin.
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Is this the census that you mean - 1901?
John Burns and family.
House 8 in Tievebunion (Lattoon, Fermanagh).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Lattoon/Tievebunion/1360637/

[scotmum]

.Mary's parents are recorded(at Mary's death) as John Burns & Mary Burns, not sure if this is the mother's MS or not

Info on death certificates especially, is only ever as accurate as the knowledge of the person providing it, but at least it usually gives an indication of what might be correct details. As Mary died fairly young, her parents may have still been alive. What does the certificate say about them (ie is deceased recorded under their names or not)?

At time of Griffiths Valuation in mid 1800s, there were no Burns entries at Tievebunnan, however there were entries in other nearby townlands including:

Burns             John               Agho                  Boho     Fermanagh

and two Burns families in Agho at 1901.

[philiprourke]

following up on your latest questions.
Yes that is the John Burns at No 8 Tievebunion, Agho / Augho has also come up, If I remember this was the DNA contact that matched an O'Rourke cousin in Penn. USA, Mary's first son Francis. They couldn't shed an light on Mary, but did say that there were Burns still farming in that area.
Mary's parents were not designated as deceased at her death in 1866.
Mary's last O'Rourke son, Patrick, was born 1850 according to Scottish Census records, but no info on her husbands death. no sign of him in Scotland. possibly they did arrive after the 1851 census.
There are a few Burns families in the Bothwell district but so far no indication of family ties. There is also an Elizabeth Burns from Augho in the 1911 & 1901 Ireland census
Quite a few indicators but no records of either Mary or Patrick in Ireland