Sybil Edith Crase

[wivenhoe]

Sydney Morning Herald 23 Dec 1911 p18
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/28133796?
CRASE.-December 14, at Kalgoorlie, Edith A, CRASE (formerly of Sydney), beloved daughter of M.E
DOUGLAS  Perth WA Deeply regretted.

Kalgoorlie Cemetery    https://www.kalgoorliebouldercemetery.com.au/search/
CRASE   Edith   31   16/12/1911   ANG   Kalgoorlie Cemetery

NSM BDM
29/1896 FORSTER   George S   marr.  DOUGLAS   Edith A  @ Sydney

[wivenhoe]

The Daily News (Perth)9 Dec 1899 p6
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/83064521?
...divorce in NSW of Frederick George CRASE ........Edith Annie married 1896 Sydney......

Sydney Morning Herald 22 Nov 1899 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14228366?
...divorce in NSW of Frederick George CRASE ........Edith Annie married 1896 Sydney......formerly DOUGLAS.

BDM NSW  births
1609/1875  DOUGLAS Edith May  parents James Bryant  Mary Elizabeth  @ Sydney

5418/1876 DOUGLAS Edith Annie  parents James Bryan  Mary Elizabeth  @ Redfern

6106/1881 DOUGLAS James Henry C  parents James Bryan  Mary Elizabeth  @ Newtown

7056/1882 DOUGLAS Herbert James  parents James Bryan  Mary Elizabeth  @ Newtown

Western Mail 5 Jul 1902 p31
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/37543178?
CHASE-FORSTER.-On June 14, 1902, by special licence, at Wesley Manse, Rev
lioenoe, at Wesley Manse, Bev. T. James officiating, Harold George, second son of Geo. CRASE,
Esq., Adelaide, to Edith A. FORSTER, nee Douglas, of Sydney.

[majm]

1.

Wivenhoe, I hadn't mentioned Sybil's marriage witnesses as I don't feel the names are relevant to my Birth info query. I have  E (Eleanor) Crase's details, and those of the other witness, a friend of the groom.
One of Sybil's sons is still living so we do not discuss them on this forum. please. Apart from that, her son's birth certs will not help me to find Sybil's birthplace.
Thanks,
Valsgirl

A NSW birth certificate includes information about the baby's parents, including where each parent was born, and their then age when baby was born, and when/where they married, and names ages of the babys older siblings.  If birth is for someone not yet 100 years of age the b.c. is on restricted access due to the depth of detail of the sensitive info it records.  So Sybils birth place is likely recorded on her living sons birth certs, even if you cannot find her passports.

2.

 

"Trying to find a birth record for Sybil Edith Crase. Born about 1901, possibly in Australia. Sybil held both a British (possibly, her right by descent) & Australian passport."

Please note - I'm a family friend and aware of Sybil's life after her marriage - as I have previously stated. Therefore her Marriage facts & Death record are known to me. I'd only like to find Sylvia's birth and details of her parents. Sybil was very cagey about her parents / birthplace, telling the family they didn't need to know that!

Thank you, judb, for your interest in my quest.
I don't know Sybil's Mum's name & cannot find a likely marriage or death for Sylvia's parents. We wonder if the very "theatrical" Sybil made up her father's name, but to have it printed in the newspaper & to have a Miss E Crase as a witness at her marriage, surely has to have some truth to it. One thought is that Sybil was adopted & took on the surname Crase. But who then are Mr & Mrs J R Crase?.
With thanks,
Valsgirl
   
 

Australian citizenship did not exist until 1949.  Everyone born in Australia until mid 1960s was automatically a British Subject.   If you have two actual passports, please have careful read of the fine print.  It should help to explain it.

JM

[Valsgirl]

Tree Spirit, I had missed the Children's pages letters. Amazing find, thank you very much.
 I will follow this lead.Thanks also to others who have added more to Tree Spirit's find.
Sybil's 94 yr old daughter in law is my friend and I'm compiling a list of surnames, to see if any may be familiar to her. I didn't remember that NSW birth certs recorded Mother's birthplace, so appreciate that reminder.
Will also see if Sybil's passports have been kept. Sybil's granddaughter was her travelling companion, hence the knowledge about two passports. 
I did hope Edith Annie Douglas / Forster / Crase might be a likely Mum for Sybil. Quite a character if we can believe all we read in the papers. Throughout the many, mostly marriage related, articles I can only find 2 children, Beryl (died young) and Douglas. I have scoured the relevant records for Douglas & Forster births.  Edith's 2nd husband, Harold George Crase was a well known businessman
(sourced from Trove) so I felt if he was Sybil's father / Step Father / Guardian, Sybil's marriage notice & cert. wouldn't have said J R Crase was her father, and acknowledges Harold in some way. Also checked Harold's tree & couldn't find a likely J R.
Many thanks to everyone for their help. This is a project I have been working on for a while, but as always, this forum of clever genealogists is providing me with some new paths to follow.
Cheers to you all,
Valsgirl

[majm]

CRASE ...  in my list of alternative spellings in NSW ..... I have that as an alternative for:

Cruse;  Cruise; Crease; Cross;  Gross, Gross..... and similar. 

That can be important when searching indexes for bdm, particularly NSWBDM.

NSWBDM records much of 1800s and through to around WWII Were handwritten, and not filed in surname alphabetical order.  In 1930s volunteers put huge effort into  indexing 1787 to 1918 records so that was a big start.  In 1950s typed details avoided most mis-steps,  but until then there were errors caused by the standard of penmanship and spelling.  SCRIBBLING seemed to be an important talent for clerical staff to excel in.   

You can search NSWBDM online births  using wildcard for surname and e.g. Sybil for given name, and  say 1895  to 1905 or similar try deaths CR*  John and 1885-1919 etc.

JM.

[Valsgirl]

Thank you for your suggestions, JM
A good point, you make. which I have tried.
Having an unusual surname can have benefits for researchers, but often when it comes to relying on transcriptions, one has to think of all the alternatives. But -- thank heavens for transcribers!
Valsgirl

[wivenhoe]

WA BDM birth
1264   /1908  CRASE Beryl K   @   Perth   
5422   /1905  CRASE Douglas Harold parents  Harold George / DOUGLAS Edith Annie @   Perth   


NSW BDM birth
35477/1903  CRASE Beryl  E D parents HAROLD G / Edith  A  @ Waverley   

The West Australian 3 Nov 1903 p1
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/24837015?
CRASE.-On September 9, at Waverley, N.S.W., the wife of Harold G. CRASE, Perth, of a daughter
(Beryl Emily Douglas)

WA BDM death
1958   / 1904 CRASE   Beryl Emily Douglas  7M parents  Harold George / DOUGLAS Edith Annie   
birthplace Waverley NSW

Western Mail 30 Apr 1904 p31
CRASE.—On April 22, 1904, at 159 Brown-street, East Perth, W.A., Beryl Emily Douglas, the
dearly-beloved infant daughter of Edith Annie and Harold George CRASE, aged 7 months.

17 Jun 1905 p44
CRASE.—On May 29th, at Nurse Street's, to Mr. and Mrs. Harold G. CRASE, of Subiaco—a son.   

Western Mail 17 Dec 1904 p22
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/37805184?
.....passengers "Kyarra" arriving Fremantle from Sydney and ports......Mr and Mrs H G CRASE and child....

Tempting to see this as Harold George and wife Edith Annie?.  Who is the child?

[sparrett]

A reference to Mrs CRASE’s musical talents (AKA Madame Marion Kemp)

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/27469169

Sue

[maddys52]

Tempting to see this as Harold George and wife Edith Annie?.  Who is the child?

Surely the child is Beryl Emily Douglas CRASE, born in September 1903 at Waverley NSW, travelled to WA December 1903, and died April 1904 in Perth? Or am I confused?