Sybil Edith Crase

[wivenhoe]

"one of Sybil's sons and her daughter in law are still living."

This is a son whose birth certificate would record age and birthplace of mother Sybil?

[majm]

Sybil's nicknames included Bill Billie & Barbara. - source family info.
Please be aware that one of Sybil's sons and her daughter in law are still living.
Valsgirl

Hi Valsgirl,

I have again read back, over and over, on this thread.  I am absolutely sure that no one has caused any reason for you to suspect that any of the many regular RChatters have overlooked that very significant fact.    I can also confirm that if you have concerns that any of us are encroaching even in an inadvertent way, that your best option is to use the Report to Moderator Button.

In reading back, I am aware that there are many questions from earlier than Sybil's 1923 marriage and that most of them have been ignored.   For example, Edith's divorce heard in the NSW Supreme Court - do you have those two files?  The dates that Judith and I have found differ from your posts - not by years and years, but they do differ.    Do you have the marriage certificate for Sybil's 1923 marriage?  If so,  what is actually recorded on that document?   Surely all of the people named on that document are NO LONGER LIVING.    Yes, I realise it is a marriage registered in South Australia and therefore it will have scant details, but what is actually recorded on it?  Yes,  you have given some of the information earlier in the thread, but it may well be useful if it were actually typed up in the one place, and an exact transcription of the official record.

 
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368744.0
SA marriages 1908-1963
Date and Place of Marriage
Bride and Bridegrooms Names, Ages, Place and Country of Birth
Trade
Residence
Father's names

In your opening post you seem unsure of Sybil's place and country of birth, but it ought to be recorded on the m.c. 

Have you sought a gentle way to approach the living regarding the non historic NSW birth cert information about their mother's details.    I ask this in a rhetorical way,  I do not seek to intrude. 

Please know that RChatters care about the importance of protecting the sensitive personal information about each and every person, our own ancestors and the ancestors of strangers.  NSW has strong protections for the personal information about all who live in NSW.   In a legal sense, each of us has the lawful expectation to privacy of the individual.  That extends to each individual's own name.   

JM

[sparrett]

Hi Valsgirl,
I am in full agreement with all that JM says above, but I am wondering whether your concern for the living offspring of your subject person is about the content of the information being posted.     

I very well know that there can be shocks to the living in the course of uncovering the life of ancestors. I have had a few

Even today, some are still upset by implications of ex-marital relations and subsequent births and such events do seem to be  the current direction of this inquiry.

If you fear that people will not like or be upset by what is uncovered, then you really should close the thread right now in my opinion.

Sue

[majm]

Among those who volunteered to serve in the Australian Imperial Forces in WWI was a lad born in Rockleigh, S.A in 1894.   His 61 page digitised service record is readily available online via the naa.gov.au website.   

From S.A. online genealogy he married in the 1930s to an Eleanor CRASE.   His wife's given name was Eleanor.  She may well have been an official witness at Sybil's 1923 marriage.   I mention this as an aside, as that same naa.gov.au website shows a file for an Eleanor DOWNING, beneficiary of Seabert Crawford Muir DOWNING, service no. 3013. The contents range from 1973 to 1987. The file is on open access and is located in Sydney.   

Seabert's death is listed on the INDEX of Genealogy SA for 1973. Eleanor's death is on the same index but for 1987.

 https://www.naa.gov.au/
and
 https://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-database-search 


JM

[majm]

Sydney Sands Alpha directory 1905 (so closing date for entries would be Oct 1904)

Mrs A CRASE, 59 Wentworth Park Rd, Glebe.

JM

[majm]

This should be helpful in working back into the early years for Sybil before her marriage.  I am not actually certain that the surnames of the witnesses were DOWNES or CRASE.   It could be Downey or Crare.  My knowledge of South Australian families is sparse.   I also wonder if I have the clergyman's surname correct, but I doubt it would be significant to this quest.

So here is my transcription of the church record of the 1923 marriage,  the image is readily available, no charge at family search.

Diocese of Adelaide
Marriage solemnized in the Chapel of the Collegiate School of St Peter, South Australia

Rex Leland BENNETT, age 27,  born Snow Town, South Australia, Bachelor, Army Officer, residing Prospect, father as Thomas Charles BENNETT

Sybil Edith CRASE, age 22, born Sydney NSW, Spinster, residing Walkerville, father as John Robert CRASE

Were married in this church by banns this 27th day of October, 1923 by me,  Wm H Irwin 

In the presence of  H Downes of Norwood (and) E Crase of Medindie.
Bride and Groom both signed  RL BENNETT and Sybil Edith CRASE.

Film @ 007720194,  Image 661 of 733.


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BX-X1NF?i=660

JM

[sparrett]

Hi all,
I see the green tick against the topic now so we know Valsgirl has all the information she wishes at present.
I for one am happy to respect that and hope the descendants of Sybil have been helped on the way to understanding her background.

The statements  on her marriage certificate and the associated  newspaper marriage announcements regarding her parents are not supported in any located record.

Sue