Sybil Edith Crase

[maddys52]

Perhaps not related at all, however it is interesting in 1910, Adelaide:

"WANTED someone living in city to take charge of little Girl, 6 years; 6/- per week all found. - Mrs. M. Douglas, G.P.O.  274-7"

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209996736

Do the numbers indicate a telephone number? There are a few other classified ads with this number.

Modified to add:
I might just add, as others have said, sometimes looking around a problem can throw up a clue that might open other doors. They may lead no where, or you might discover something wholly unexpected. 

[sparrett]

Perhaps not related at all, however it is interesting in 1910, Adelaide:

"WANTED someone living in city to take charge of little Girl, 6 years; 6/- per week all found. - Mrs. M. Douglas, G.P.O.  274-7"

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209996736

Do the numbers indicate a telephone number? There are a few other classified ads with this number.

Modified to add:
I might just add, as others have said, sometimes looking around a problem can throw up a clue that might open other doors. They may lead no where, or you might discover something wholly unexpected. 

I think a post office box number

[judb]

Re Forster death certificate - note death recorded Jan 1901. Edith & George Forster were divorced in Dec 1898, after 6 months marriage, from  Jan - June 1896. I need to check again for a Forster birth.

The actual dates for Edith and George's divorce are given in my replies #42 and #44
Looking at records - Edith's child with George FORSTER (Sybil G C FOSTER) died 3 January 1901, their divorce became absolute January 1901,
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14371791
The first court petition re this divorce was in November 1899 and stated that Edith had deserted George.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14228366

I can't see a birth for a suitable child named Sybil in NSW from 1896 to 1900 and no birth noted on Ancestry

Judith

[majm]

here are two permanent link thingy for the NSW State Archives INDEX for the 1899 files

https://records-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/permalink/f/1e5kcq1/INDEX1231210  George Frederick FORSTER as Petitioner, Edith Annie FORSTER as respondent.

https://records-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/permalink/f/1e5kcq1/INDEX1240597 George Frederick BELLIS as Petitioner, Edith Annie Forster as respondent.   

In both instances the Divorce Number is 3353.

From the divorce file, who was George Frederick BELLIS?

JM

[judb]

Could it just be a mistake in the file?

I can't see anyone of that name mentioned anywhere in NSW although there is George Bellis who married a Mary Fennelly in 1878.  There is a TROVE report of their divorce in May 1890
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230601166
But I see no mention of him in 1899 - and he seems not to use a second forename.

Judith

[sparrett]

Maybe BELLIS was George Frederick's birth name and through a remarriage or such, he became known as FORSTER.

There is a birth in England

 
Births Sep 1877   
BELLIS George Frederick
Ormskirk    8b/774

Sue   

[majm]

Well, according to my ancient rellie who worked at Kingswood as an archivist, and who drew my attention to the two separately numbered permanent links,  there needs to be an explanation in the actual archival records.  He says it is very unlikely to be a a mis step in the index.   One file may simply have a slip of paper referring to the other, but there will be a written explanation re the surname,

JM

[maddys52]

Another address for young Sybil CHASE:

128 Churchill Ave, Subiaco
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article79963484 (2nd column, near the bottom)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article79921232 (3rd column, bottom)

And won a prize for the painting 4 April 1914
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article79921230

[judb]

Excellent finds, maddys52

Going back to TreeSpirit's post #12  Sybil Crase writes to newspaper "Auntie Nell' in 1914 giving her address as 177 Hay St, Subiaco. TreeSpirit has also found 1915 Directory lists: “Douglas Mrs, M. 177 Hay st. Sub”

According to electoral rolls 1914 the Mrs M Douglas at 177 Hay st, Subiaco is actually Mary Elizabeth Douglas, the mother of Edith Annie Douglas/Forster/Crase. 

I'm beginning to think that Edith Annie is the mother of Sybil and there are some events which may point to this.

Edith Annie Douglas, born 1876
Edith Annie DOUGLAS, 418/187, registered REDFERN,
parents: James Bryan(t) DOUGLAS, Mary Elizabeth (nee CARNE)
Edith Annie DOUGLAS married George F FORSTER, January 1, 1896 NSW

Their child Sybil G C FORSTER dies 3 Jan 1901, and the entry for her burial suggested that this child was aged 0-1.  I cannot see a birth for this child.

Edith and George's divorce was mentioned on TROVE in November 1899;  the petition stated that Edith had deserted George.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14228366
Edith and George's decree absolute was reported in the SMH 24 January, 1901.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14371791

 Thus it seems possible that Edith had left George, perhaps in 1899.
In 1902 she marries Harold George CRASE in Perth.

Harold CRASE states in the report of his divorce case from Edith Annie https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/207405844
that he had met Edith about 2 years before their marriage in 1902.  So, it would seem possible that Edith may have had a child 1900-1902 - whether, given the picture painted by that newspaper report, H G Crase was the father or not.
Just an aside - it's not unusual to find a child named after a previous sibling who has died so Sybil CRASE may have been named for the baby who died in 1901.

I have done a bit of digging re Edith Annie's family and her childhood must have been difficult.  For example, her brother Herbert was admitted to the Sobraon, (a ship that served as all-boy public industrial school) in 1894 as he had been found wandering the street - father out of work and mother living separately with 3 other children.  There's some other information about her family and I'm happy to post if you want it.

With this background - IF, indeed it is Sybil's parents/grandparents it is not surprising that Sybil would not wish to speak about it.

Obviously this is speculation but seems possible.

Judith