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Re: Can anyone help me find my grandma Gertrude Stephen/Ross?
« Reply #45 on: Wednesday 18 May 22 21:57 BST (UK) »
Just wanted to let you know that I've managed to find Gertrude's Aunt Isabella!! FINALLY!! She died on 5th January 1947 in JERSEY!!! Full thread her on an Isabella specific look up request I made...

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=861995.msg7316234#msg7316234

Have also managed to find the wills of Isabella Stephen, Gertrude's Aunt Eliza Tulloch and Gertrude's father John Stephen.

Hopefully these documents (when I finally get to see them) can help me move my research forward a bit.

Many thanks for all your help and advice with this

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Re: Can anyone help me find my grandma Gertrude Stephen/Ross?
« Reply #46 on: Thursday 19 May 22 15:20 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the update Hollyhocker that's great news  :)
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Re: Can anyone help me find my grandma Gertrude Stephen/Ross?
« Reply #47 on: Tuesday 28 June 22 18:59 BST (UK) »
Just wanted to update this thread with another little skeleton in the closet!
I found out that Gertrude has another baby to John Ross in 1926 so my dad has a sister!
Her name was Joan Isabel Ross, date of birth 28th January 1926. Born at 12 Hollybank Place Aberdeen, District of St Machar.
Mother Gertrude Ross. Father John Fowler Ross. Her father signed her certificate as informant.

Sadly, Joan's birth certificate states she was ‘adopted’.

I'm unsure whether she was adopted at birth or sometime after, having not seen the certificate. So John and Gertrude marry Nov 1925. Joan is born Jan 1926 and John Fowler Ross joins the army in April 1926. It seems slightly strange that they would go to the trouble of marrying and then have the baby adopted. Also I don't think adoption was made official in Scotland until 1930.
Also why adopt that baby and then go on to give my dad away (without adoption papers) in 1930. Struggling to make sense of it all. And STILL can’t find Gertrude! I’m on the waiting list to see the wills in Edinburgh. Feels like a very long wait! 😂

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Re: Can anyone help me find my grandma Gertrude Stephen/Ross?
« Reply #48 on: Tuesday 19 July 22 18:53 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone! I'm not sure how to mark this enquiry "solved" but it is! I've found Gertrude!

Many of you on here have helped me so much and I'm so grateful, the least I can do is update you on my progress!

After a fair amount of research, I found out that Gertrude moved to Jersey in 1945. She met her "husband" [although I still can't find their marriage certificate yet] Harold Arthur Goldsmith and they moved to Jersey, where Harold was from, along with Gertrude's first born daughter Joan Isabel. They adopted a two day old baby boy in 1945 in Guilford just before the move. I wonder whether this was related to any guilt that Gertrude might have felt at giving away my dad at birth??

I've spoken to Gertrude's adopted son on the phone and he was really friendly and kind. Told me lots of information and he's going to send me a photograph of my grandma.

Gertrude died age 47 in Brompton Hospital in London in 1954. Apparently she was ill while on Jersey and went to Brompton to get treatment and died there. She is buried in a common grave in Brompton Cemetery.

I would still be interested to know where Gertrude was between 1930 (in Edinburgh) and 1945 (in Jersey). She and Harold had a brief spell in Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire in 1945 but I have no idea where she was before that!  Scratching my head as to what brought her so far down south. But this helps explain why her Auntie Isabella died in Jersey in 1947. She was obviously down there visiting.

Also Gertrude's daughter Joan returned to Aberdeen to give birth to her daughter J ***** in 1949 so there is obviously still some connection to Aberdeen.

I just wanted to say thanks SO much everyone here on Rootschat for all your input and help, especially @hgs46

I can't actually believe that I have found her!!


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Re: Can anyone help me find my grandma Gertrude Stephen/Ross?
« Reply #49 on: Tuesday 19 July 22 18:59 BST (UK) »
What a wonderful update!
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Re: Can anyone help me find my grandma Gertrude Stephen/Ross?
« Reply #50 on: Friday 22 July 22 12:15 BST (UK) »

After a fair amount of research, I found out that Gertrude moved to Jersey in 1945. She met her "husband" [although I still can't find their marriage certificate yet] Harold Arthur Goldsmith and they moved to Jersey......

I've spoken to Gertrude's adopted son on the phone and he was really friendly and kind. Told me lots of information and he's going to send me a photograph of my grandma.

Gertrude died age 47 in Brompton Hospital in London in 1954. Apparently she was ill while on Jersey and went to Brompton to get treatment and died there. She is buried in a common grave in Brompton Cemetery.


I can't actually believe that I have found her!!

That is wonderful news Hollyhock thank you for the update so pleased you've managed to find her :)

Is this Harold?

https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/collection/Details/archive/110058126

https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/collection/Details/archive/110058127



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Re: Can anyone help me find my grandma Gertrude Stephen/Ross?
« Reply #51 on: Friday 22 July 22 14:00 BST (UK) »

Thanks Ladyhawk. No it's not Harold. He was born in 1914. It's Harold's father.