Hickey marriage

[friesland]

My g.g. grandfather was John Hickey who according to the 1841 census was born in Ireland in about 1811. In 1841 he was living in Lambeth Surrey.
He had at least 3 children, the first my g grandfather, also John, was according to his baptism records from St George's Cathedral, Southwark born in 1836.
The baptism records helpfully show his mother as Catherine Riley.
I have been looking for a marriage record for John Hickey and Catherine Riley for around 1830 to 1836 in the Southwark area and more recently in Ireland but without any idea of place it has been fruitless. It is possible that they were not married but being Catholic I think this unlikely.
I am hoping that a marriage record might take me back a further generation and also give me a place in Ireland.
That is a lot of hoping I know, I have 2 sets of g g grandparents born in Ireland without any idea of where.
Any ideas?

Thank you

[Pennines]

Friesland -- there is a marriage between a John Hickey and a Catherine Reilly on 1 March 1835 at Hospital and Herbertstown, County Limerick.

Unfortunately no father's names are shown, but witnesses were Thomas Reilly and Margaret Connors. This was an RC marriage.

Of course we don't know if this is the same couple but the timing is right.

I obtained this from a subscription site - but in case you don't know there is a free Irish Genealogy site;

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie

which contains many baptisms. marriages and burials parish registers AND Civil Registration after that started.

[friesland]

Thank you Pennines.

I have looked at the Irish Genealogy site but had found nothing, however now I have a place I will look again.

As you say, this might not be the right couple especially as Hickey and Reilly are common names in Ireland.

[Pennines]

I have looked for baptisms of children born to a John Hickey and Catherine Reilly between 1835 and 1855 in Ireland (ie after that marriage) -- but no results are coming up. So it may just be the correct couple. Cannot see baptisms for John or Catherine in that same location in Limerick though.
 
Presumably you have tracked them through English census records, but no actual birthplace in Ireland is ever revealed for you?

I know how frustrating it must be.

[friesland]

As you say, frustrating.

I also have g g grandparents, Thomas Carroll born about 1817 in Ireland and his wife Ellen Hobourne (I've found several spellings of this) born about 1822 in Ireland. They were married at St Chads Cathedral in Birmingham in 1843 so I have their fathers' names - Loughlin Carroll and Andrew Hoborne - but still no place in Ireland to follow it up.

I have checked as many censuses as they appear on but it only ever says Ireland.

[Pennines]

There is a marriage for a Loughlin Carroll to an Anne Maginnis on 11 Aug 1816 at Castlepollard, County Westmeath.

No fathers shown - witnesses Peter Fegan and Mary Maginnis.

Roman Catholic ceremony. Again no baptisms of children to this couple on the site I am viewing.

[friesland]

It was useful to have the two marriage dates and places you mentioned as I was able to look up the originals on the National Library of Ireland web page.

The John Hickey marriage on the 1 March 1835 is interesting because the original seems to show Catherine as, what looks like Kitty and there is another name or word following which I can't be sure of but the nearest looking place is Clonsilla which is, I believe, in the County of Dublin.

Still no nearer to knowing whether this is my family, unfortunately there are no records of people migrating from Ireland to England.

[Pennines]

Hi Friesland -- as you say there are no 'migration' records from Ireland to England, as we were all one country back in the day.

It may be useful for you to now put your queries separately on the Irish Board. By that, I mean your Hickey and Carroll families as 2 separate queries.

With Thomas Carroll - at least you have a father's name, so someone on the Irish Board (and there are some Irish 'whizzes' on there) - may be able to find Thomas's likely birth.

If you do proceed with that, you are better putting a link to this earlier correspondence, so that people don't just go over the same ground.

Have a think about it - I am out of my depth now, having exhausted my meagre knowledge of the frustrating Irish research!
(I have an Irish grandmother AND my husband was Irish - so believe me, I do understand the difficulties).