Brick Wall. Henry and Thomas Mantell, possibly Shropshire and Birmingham.

[bbart]

I'm not 100 % convinced that the France-born Henry is the right fellow.  I know it all fits with age and occupation, but on  the 1851^*, the last column for afflictions such as deaf/dumb/blind is ticked off for both Henry and (presumably his older brother) James.
On the 1871 census for Henry Mantle born France, it indicates the affliction as number "1", which the column header indicates as "deaf and dumb".
All the later censuses that are your Henry "for sure" have no affliction indicated. On the 1911, there is lines drawn through that column indication no afflictions, so at least on that one, it wasn't an oversight of not filling out all info.

^*Edit: corrected typo for year of census

[softly softly]

bbart, can you please give a reference for the 1861 census you refer too please.

John

[bbart]

Gah, sorry John, I meant 1851, not 1861.  *slaps forehead*.

JenB gave a reference for the 1861 in reply 2, but I haven't been able to find it for some reason.

I shall correct my post as not to confuse anyone else!

Edit: Found it, and as it has the spelling of "Mantell" and no afflictions indicated, this census could very well be the right fellow.

[JenB]

Ah, so, confusingly there might be two chaps called Henry Mantell/Mantle who are both hairdressers, one born in France and one in Birmingham?

Can we find the French one in 1861 in order to eliminate him?

[yecartmannew]

Hi everyone, and thanks for your hard work.

I dont think the 1951 workhouse henry is mi e. In later tecords there is a   Henry Mantell circulating in the same area and time frame as my Henry but who is a milkseller and definitely not well off.

My Henry does quite well for himself as a gentlemans hairdresser and chiropodist.

I think the 1861 might be correct but the place of birth has coincidentaly been transcribed wrong. It doesnt quite look like France to me.

[JenB]

I think the 1861 might be correct but the place of birth has coincidentaly been transcribed wrong. It doesnt quite look like France to me

Please see reply #1 
The 1861 census has him born in ‘Warwickshire, Birmingham’

[softly softly]

Throwing this into the mix if I may.

The 1851 census has a James** & Henry in the workhouse. Possibly both parents have died or abandoned children. Henry born c 1845

dq 1838 a Humphrey Mantell (occupation Millwright) marries a Louisa Claybrook/Claybrock. His father James Mantell occ Millwright. Henry records his father as a Millwright at marriage

Baptism of a Humphrey MANTLE 1.12.1816 Hopton Wafers Shropshire. Parents James & Sarah.

1841 census HO107  1001  10 13 has
Humphrey Mantell 20 not born in county
Louisa 25 not born in county
Thomas* 2 not born in county
James** 6 months born in county __is this possibly the James in 1851 census

Buried 24.8.1848 Louise Mantell aged 32 Wife of Humphrey Mantell
No sign of Humphrey after her death(that I can find)

Thomas* Mansell in 1851 census with his uncle James Mantell. James born c1810 what looks like Hopton Watfers, Shropshire.

If our Henry was corn c 1845 and by 1851 is in the workhouse he may not have known his father forenmae.

It does not answer I know where he may have been born.

John

[yecartmannew]

Ah, so, confusingly there might be two chaps called Henry Mantell/Mantle who are both hairdressers, one born in France and one in Birmingham?

Can we find the French one in 1861 in order to eliminate him?

Sorry  Jen, I meant 1871, Hairdresser, France

[jaywit]

If you look at that 1851 Workhouse entry you will notice the large number of ticks in that column that should be for blind etc.

If you look carefully it appears the ticks are all in columns where the person was born outside Warwickshire.

I suspect the people are not disabled but ticks have been put in the wrong column.