Upper Corris Talyllyn Wales

[osprey]

Ellis Humphrey Evans (Hedd Wyn) did have a younger sister Mary, but a plain Mary, no middle name.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4TYW-LZM

[CaroleW]

Where did you get a 1935 death from?  No Mary C Jones death in Merionethshire in 1935 & no death for a Mary Jones that matches a 1876 birthyear

[rosie99]

Presumably the death for Edwin that you refer to but he is obviously not the one that married in 1912
Death Dec qtr 1949   
Jones    Edwin   age 59    Merioneth S.    8c   22

[CaroleW]

Also - if he was b 3.4.1891 & died 1949 as you say - where is he on the 1939 register as there is no Edwin Jones with that birthdate

[BRUCE123]

Hi CaroleW, Rosie99, osprey, milliepede, Thank you all, I will take all your points and get back to you. Thank you.
Bruce

[DCB]

There are some trees on Ancestry with slightly different names

Mary Catherline Evans 1876-1935
Edwin Jones 1891 1949

Children:-
Margaret (Maggie) 1913-2007
Eirlys 1914-1976
Richard Edmund 1916-1976
Hedd Win 1923-1992
Sarah Enid 1925-1938

Eurlys Jones mmn Evans Q4 1914 Dolgelly
Hedy W Jones mmn Evans Q3 1923 Dolgelley
Sarah E Jones mmn Evans Q1 1925 Dolgelley

Mother aged 49 when last child born

David

[CaroleW]

DCB

See replies 10 & 12.  There are a number of details that don't add up here & with names like Jones & Evans it's too easy to go down the wrong path.

Bruce needs to start with the 1912 marriage cert to establish Mary C's fathers name.  Was she a spinster or previously married given the 15yr age gap etc etc

No birthplaces given for either

1911 has a widowed Mary Evans aged 34 living in Dolgelly

[BRUCE123]

Hi All, sorry for the delay getting back to you, Thank you for the time you have spent, I hope I have answered you Questions, on this family Mary Catherine Evans
Evan Evans B:3/9/1852 Trawsfynydd Merionethshire wife Mary (Evans) Morris B: 22 Aug 1864 Trawsfynydd
1901cen Evan Evans 47, wife Mary Evans 36,( Ellis H Evans 14,B:1887 D: WW1, I have Army records, ) Davids Evans 12, Robert Llewelyn Evan 2,
 Mary Evans 11,Kate Evans 9, Maggie Evans 5,and brother Robert Evans    42,1858. all the children B:Trawsfynydd
1911cen Evan Evans 57yrs job Farmer wife Mary 46yrs mar 23yrs12Ch9L3D
Ellis H 24yrs,1887, Maggie 15yrs  1896, Robert H 12yrs, 1899, Evan M 9yrs, 1902, Ann 7yrs, 1904, Emia 4yrs.1907.
1939cen Evan Evans ret: Farmer wife Mary off Ysgwrn Farm Robert Ll Evans,1896, Evan M Evans, 1901.
Anne Evans 1904 mar: Ivor Williams. No info on this
Evan M Evans D: 1984 83yrs.  Robert LL Evans D: 1977 78yrs. from grave stone.
this is all I have on the Evan Evans family todate.
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  First the Children of Edwin Jones and Mary Catherin Evans 
Maraget Jones 1913  date from birthday book Mar: Edward E Jones B: 01/1/1892 D: 1967 mar:  03/12/1934.BMD:
Eirlys Jones 1914 My mother-in-Law Birth cert: gives F: as Edwin Jones Occ: Slate Miner M: Mary Catherine Jones nee Evans
Richard Edmund Jones 1916 birth cert gives F: and M: the same as above
 Hedd Wyn Jones 1923   birth cert gives F: and M: the same as above
Sarah Enid Jones 1925  birth cert gives F: and M: the same as above
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The 1901 gives us Edwin B: in Corris Coch Talyllyn.He is age 10yrs. BMD mar: gives us 1912 .Mary Catherline Evans

1901:
Richard Jones   37 1864 Dylife, Monmouthshire,
Catherine Jones   32  Corris Coch 1869
John D Jones   14  1887  Corris Coch
Catherine Jones   12   1889  Corris
Edwin Jones   10   1891  Corris Coch
Mary Jones   9      1892  Corris
Sarah A Jones   4      1897   Corris
Margaret J Jones   1  1900  Corris
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Mary Catherin Evans,  the info on her, is wrong I got mix up with another family member, Sorry. I know she was younger then Edwin and died not long after the last child, the children then had a step-mother called Annie E Evans. I have a photo of her, that's all.
I have a birth cert for a Mary Ellen B: 12/6/1886 Upper Corris. F: Hugh Evans job, Slate Quarrier. M: Annie Evans nee Evans How this fits in I don't know yet.
Thank you for your help. Bruce

[CaroleW]

Hi Bruce

I have asked the moderator for advice on whether this post should be locked & you open a new thread with correct information

Your last reply has only added to the confusion and a lot of time & effort has already been wasted because of incorrect info

If the 1912 marriage is the correct one -  I would strongly recommend that before posting again you buy a copy of that marriage cert to establish their ages & fathers names.  If it is not the right marriage then you need to determine which one is

www.freebmd.org.uk

I also suggest you look at the 1921 census for whichever is the right family & ensure you give correct birthyears

You need to look for Mary's death on freebmd & Edwin's remarriage to "Annie E"

It is impossible to determine who you have the "connection" to so that needs to be made clearer in any future post