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Re: Joseph Clarke married to Ivy Stacey
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 19 March 22 09:11 GMT (UK) »
Jimmy_c


Many  trees are copied  without having been personally researched with certs purchased and records  scrutinised, etc.

Because there were so many Joseph Clarkes  born around the same time it is hard to find the exact one.

The one positive is you have the marriage cert for Joseph and  and Ivy presumably from whom you descend.

But what you need is the birth cert of the Joseph Clarke either Notts or Staffs or wherever.

Or a baptism record of same. That will give you Mary,s surname.

These no one seems to have.  None of the trees has an image of birth cert or baptism As you say the only thing is 11 July.

If Joseph,s father was a military man then Joseph,s birth may be on the gro   military birth site.
I found my mother.s birth this way when it was not on any other.
Naturally I knew her birthday but I could not find it to obtain cert except in Gro overseas section.
You could request a search . It used to cost £4 , probably more now.
Sometimes going sideways yields results...hence maybe tracing Patrick or whoever Joseph,s older sibling was.



 

 

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Re: Joseph Clarke married to Ivy Stacey
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 20 March 22 11:59 GMT (UK) »
Aghadowey,
You haven't missed anything.
There is atree on a....that has  Joseph Clarke and Mary from Ireland in 1939 on it. It gives marriage of a Joseph Clarke to Ivy Stacey . That tree has the 1939 with the Mary from Ireland
and Joseph aged19 a bricklayer on it.
That tree  , also copied by others is rubbish. IMHO.

Jimmy s Joseph Clarke is born either Staffs or Notts in either July11 1923 or 1924.
There were lots of Joseph Clarke born during those years in Staffs and   Notts.
I havebeen through them all.
Unless Jimmy has a baptism record for his Joseph Clarke stating father as George Henry how can he be sure he has the right one
Jimmy has sent off for a Joseph Clarke's  military record....but there are several that could be him.


Jimmy _c 
how do you know who  George Henry married.. How do you know it is Mary.












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Re: Joseph Clarke married to Ivy Stacey
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 20 March 22 13:05 GMT (UK) »
Thanks both,

Mary lived with the family until her death in 65 and a few people in the family remember her. I have her death certificate now. On her death certificate it gives her job as wife or widow of George Henry Clarke. Unfortunately there is no maiden name on the certificate. Joe reported the death. On Joseph's marriage certificate it gives Joe's father as George Henry Clarke. So Joe at least was convinced his dad was George Henry Clarke and that George Henry was married to his mum. Enough for him to put it on his marriage certificate and her death certificate.

On the 1939 register there is a Joseph Clarke living a few doors away from the address on Joe's marriage certificate with the same birthdate and a Mary Clarke born September 1899. Mary is listed as being married but there is no George Henry on the records. I'm quite confident this is Joe and Mary and that Joe's dad had left the family by this point. There is another blocked out record on the register probably of Joe's younger sibling Patrick. I've been told Patrick had learning difficulties and never lived apart from Mary even as an adult.

I know that Joe had two brothers known to him, George who was older and Patrick who was younger.