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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #18 on: Friday 18 February 22 08:29 GMT (UK) »
The marriage details fit with the information I posted.
I wasn’t sure whether Sarah Windell (Windle) was speculative but not so.

Is there any detail of the nephew Mr J Greenwood in Australian records?
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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #19 on: Friday 18 February 22 09:10 GMT (UK) »
http://www.calderdalecompanion.co.uk/mmg314.html

Some various Halifax info on Greenwood's of Halifax England by Malcolm Bull website
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #20 on: Friday 18 February 22 09:33 GMT (UK) »
Neale that Henry is in a grave with three others, but none died at the same time as him, so probably doubtful. Also burial was on 1 Oct 1859,
Thomas stated that he was widowed  November 1855 on his wedding cert.
I think you missed my point, Rusted.
Not to worry, but when there are so many unknowns, I try to look at all options, rather than make assumptions.
It is possible for a baby to live, even though mother dies as a result of giving birth.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #21 on: Friday 18 February 22 09:48 GMT (UK) »
As well as the passenger list suggestion I made in reply #11 ….
I think you might consider the Greenwood couple plus 1 year old child who arrived Melbourne on “Martin Luther” in 1852. Thomas is listed as a miner, but if he was headed for the gold fields, he may have called himself a miner on the passenger list.
https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/33FC5616-F96C-11E9-AE98-D185E5E909BF?image=71

EDIT - i have looked further at this family arriving 1852, and I don’t believe it is yours
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #22 on: Friday 18 February 22 20:44 GMT (UK) »
Catching Up, it is early morning here and the grandkids are still asleep.
Dobfarm, Thomas is listed as a miner on his wedding cert and signs his name, quite literate, he writes very detailed reports on the mine. His wife Elizabeth Hawkins is Illiterate and her father? George who was a witness also illiterate.

Heywood. Yes that Sarah Windle is correct, I haven't tracked much of her or her family yet. How did you see the information that she already had children with a different surname? I think I will have no trouble tracking down the nephew John Greenwood, I am reasonably good at Victorian records and Victorian geography, awful at UK.

Neale, I agree with you sometimes you have to test some strange assumptions just to eliminate them, or even prove them. I'm not ruling anything out at all until I have proof. Miners were very mobile people, they tended to go where the rushes were happening so the wife and child might have vanished miles from where most of the action happened. I have checked the cemeteries that are around Scarsdale with no luck but they could be a long way away.
Yes I agree about that passenger on "Martin Luther" his age is a bit off.
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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #23 on: Friday 18 February 22 20:51 GMT (UK) »
Sorry rusted,
The different surname reference meant you have ‘Windell’ and she is ‘Windle’ in Yorkshire records.
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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #24 on: Friday 18 February 22 21:03 GMT (UK) »
I eliminated the passenger on the “Martin Luther” not because of age, but after tracing the family back in England and forward in Australia.
I found no likely Greenwood contender in NSW shipping.
The only passenger which I cannot eliminate, is the Mr.Greenwood on “Lady Elizabeth” 1854, which I have mentioned previously. As the only one not eliminated, he might well be yours.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)