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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 18 February 22 00:54 GMT (UK) »
1851 census for the family (as cited by Heywood)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SP94-4RP

and 1861 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7CY-N36

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I think you have the right birth / baptism for Thomas, but were looking at the wrong family on the census.  :)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 18 February 22 01:01 GMT (UK) »
Wivenhoe, The other information on the 1859 Victoria certificate is His wife's details Elizabeth Hawkins Spinster, Manningford Wiltshire age 22, (where married Faulkiners Hill) father George Hawkins labourer, mother Jane Macklin. signed by Thomas (literate) Elizabeth X (illiterate)

Thanks Heywood and Neale I will check them out.
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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #11 on: Friday 18 February 22 01:54 GMT (UK) »
Rusted, I have been looking at shipping records for you, and although there do seem to be a couple of possibilities, the occupation does not fit, or the time line is not quite right.
Given that his father was in manufacturing and employing a number of men, I would think there would have been enough family wealth for Thomas to come as an un-assisted passenger.

With that in mind, here is a possibility ……
A Mr Greenwood (age 28, single) arriving Melbourne on “Lady Elizabeth” in May 1854
https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/3AF43DDD-F96C-11E9-AE98-95F2BC913559?image=204

That would still give Thomas time to marry and then lose his wife and child (together in childbirth) by Nov 1855.

That said, I could see nothing in VIC BMD. It is possible that there was no record of the marriage, as it was early days for registration in VIC.

Of course, Thomas may have arrived at another port – Sydney or Adelaide.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #12 on: Friday 18 February 22 02:17 GMT (UK) »
Here is a death you may want to investigate further, in case it is Thomas’s child.
As you say he was into gold mining, the place would fit. Birth may have been at time of mother’s death in 1855 - birth not registered that I could see.

GREENWOOD Henry
Death Oct 1859, Ballarat, age 4
Mother - Sarah
Father- Thomas
5984/1859
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/227883196/henry-greenwood
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #13 on: Friday 18 February 22 03:05 GMT (UK) »
From the marriage certificate, 1859...what occupation do you see for Thomas GREENWOOD?

What church do they marry in ie denomination?

What names do you see for witnesses? 

Do the witnesses sign?

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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #14 on: Friday 18 February 22 03:40 GMT (UK) »

The Ballarat Star  11 Jul 1911  p1   Obit for Thomas GREENWOOD
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/216644152?
... During the, fifties he with others opened up the Bull Dog gold field, now known as Illabarook. and with his nephew, Mr J GREENWOOD, was the discoverer of the famous Jubilee mine lode.....


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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 18 February 22 05:26 GMT (UK) »
Sorry everyone, a house full of grandkids put things on hold.

Wivenhoe, Yes that's the bloke, Thomas is my G G grandfather, the Jubilee mine was very wealthy, they hit a lean patch and sold it to some investors who poured money into it and took a fortune out of it. Many of the very wealthy families in Melbourne owe their wealth to that mine.
Marriage cert in 1859 Thomas is a miner

Thomas Greenwood was a member of the Church Of Scotland, Sarah was a member of the Church of England, they were married in Thomas' private residence at Faulkners Hill Woady Yalloak (not far from Illabarook)
Wtnesses are George Hawkins X, William Faulkner (signed) minister John Gow.
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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 18 February 22 05:52 GMT (UK) »
Neale that Henry is in a grave with three others, but none died at the same time as him, so probably doubtful. Also burial was on 1 Oct 1859,
Thomas stated that he was widowed  November 1855 on his wedding cert.
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Re: Thomas GREENWOOD Halifax?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 18 February 22 08:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi rusted

I'm quoting snippets of the Thomas 1859 marriage in Australia from 2 of your posts that seem unusual

First is, it was Thomas's father James who's occupation was a manufacturer and  does not say Thomas's occupation as I read it. Thus what was Thomas's occupation



2nd is ? it appears this Thomas son of James Greenwood a manufacturer of Halifax Yorkshire England is literate

or am I reading it wrong. ?


Thomas GREENWOOD, Age 31, widower since November 1855, with one dead child, from Halifax Yorkshire, Father James GREENWOOD, manufacturer. mother Sarah WINDELL.
 Married Elizabeth Hawkins on 29 Nov 1859 in Victoria Australia.


The other information on the 1859 Victoria certificate is His wife's details Elizabeth Hawkins Spinster, Manningford Wiltshire age 22,
 (where married Faulkiners Hill) father George Hawkins labourer, mother Jane Macklin. signed by Thomas (literate) Elizabeth X (illiterate)
 
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth