Brick Wall: Jesse Adams Tile maker/Potter, Notting Hill 1830s

[rosie99]

Ralph Adams who was in the Tile /Brick trade was linked to Grays Inn Lane / Road
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/39bf0b7b-724b-4343-b829-e31f9e44b5fe

other Adams on TNA index linked to Pottery Lane
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/3e776045-f5d1-4490-82e4-9b6b730ed952

also on newspaper website (F M P / BNA )

Law Chronicle, Commercial and Bankruptcy Register 22 January 1818
Adams, Ralph & William of Grays Inn Lane Road and Maiden Lane, Battle Bridge, Middlesex Brick & Tile Makers & Potters .....

[rosie99]

A Ralph Adams is in Chadds Row in 1841 with wife Elizabeth and lots of children - occupation Brick Maker - born c1786.

Still there in 1851 born Hendon with wife Elizabeth (nee Weaver)

I have mentioned this family before 
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=857000.msg7256493#msg7256493

ADDED Ralph was buried in January 1858 age 73 (Ancestry)

[AusFamily]

Hello Rosie,

Thanks again for your help.

I jumped on findmypast.com to try and see if there were any brothers and sisters for a Jessy Adams bap 1809 in Holborn, with father William & mother Mary. So I searched ADAMS with mother & father William & Mary +/- 10 years, bap in Holborn

This is what I came up with:
William Henry Adams
1801– (handwritten on image) (bap 1806)
Frederick Adams
1805–
Sarah Adams
1806–
James Adams (no image - findmypast record only)
1807–
Jesse Adams
1809–1870
William Samuel Adams (no image - findmypast record only)
1819–1877

All of the ones pre-Jesse lived in Brooks Market when baptised (which I see on the map is close to Gray's Inn Lane). William Samuel Adams I could not find an image for, came up with an interesting marriage result. He married Ann Jenkins, 22 Mar 1840, St George the Martyr, Southwark  (father William Adams, occupation "mason"). On the marriage entry it doesn't say the father is deceased.

 I found a likely death for William Samuel Adams in 1877, St Olave Southwark, London, (born abt 1820)

The gap between the birth ages 1809 & 1819 seems quite a big one, I admit, so I hope I have the correct families. Maybe there are other siblings I've missed out on

I am guessing the Ralph Adams you mentioned may have been the brother to William Adams, if we have  the correct family. I am yet to find any birth or marriage details for William or Mary.

findmypast is easier to find people but not always as comprehensive as ancestry.com, which I find more challenging to navigate.

Still haven't found out who the L. Adams, present at the death of Jesse Adams was.

[rosie99]

Are you able to attach a snippet of that certificate showing the informants details please

[AusFamily]

Are you able to attach a snippet of that certificate showing the informants details please

Hello Rosie,

thanks for your message

Is this the part of the certificate you were after?

Both William Adams & Ann Jenkins are listed as living in King St. in the main part of the certificate, the wedding took place at Southwark, St George the Martyr
This William is young enough to be the first child of William Henry Adams born 1801. that I mention above. Perhaps that explains the gap between this William getting married (born 1819) and Jesse

I do not have a death certificate for this man who got married

[rosie99]

Sorry I was not clear,   I was after the information on the  informant on Jesses death certificate

[AusFamily]

Sorry I was not clear,   I was after the information on the  informant on Jesses death certificate

Ah, OK. And since the last post, I found the image for William Jnr's baptism (1819) and it shows his father William as a "fruiterer" as occupation, address:Upper North Place; though I think possibly wrong family, although by the time William Jnr marries, father is a "mason" (1840). Still I think it's another family.

I will post the snippet from Jesse's death cert you asked for. Do you think the "L" might be a "G"?

Also, if you look at the 1861 FULHAM St Mary's census, you alluded to earlier, where a "John Adams" (aged 50) is living with a 'Georgena Adams' (aged 31), He gives his place of birth as Middlesex, St Pancras (Would that be in the same district as Holborn?). His occupation appears to be "moulder of figures" if I read the handwriting correctly - probably pottery figures in that case.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8767/images/MDXRG9_27_29-0172?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=fc204a6c89aa743db2b4ac87ef058fbb&usePUB=true&_phsrc=nkJ2&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=122991&lang=en-GB
I suggest as they did not officially marry until 1863 they may have been "living in sin" at the time and not officially married, therefore he possibly did not give his real name; or maybe he also went by the name John? The 1863 marriage Cert also gives his occupation as "Moulder"; abode 10 Pond Place, Georgina's abode 8 Pond Place (next door).
I can't read the address on the census form.

Spoke to an elderly relative today. He is in his 90s and very much looking forward to hearing all the results of the research.

[AusFamily]

Trying to work out where 1 St Anne's Rd North would have been on this map, published 1871.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/103313015
It looks sparsely populated compared to today's London!

It would be interesting to see if the house was not destroyed in the war, if it can be viewed on Google maps/street-view

Found this photo of "St Ann's Villas", continuation of St Ann's Rd, near where there was a soup kitchen (photo prob late 1800s or early 1900s)
https://www.theundergroundmap.com/image.html?id=29254&image=1456741743

[AusFamily]

This is maybe a long shot, but wondering if this is William Adams (Jesse's father's will), late of Chelsea, 1822, wife Mary. The Jessy [sic] born in Grays Inn Rd has parents of those names.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1704/images/31787_A037288-00490?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=8ea7ed856519afb1ed2b25a694fbbae6&pId=339521