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Re: probatesearch website
« Reply #63 on: Sunday 13 February 22 11:07 GMT (UK) »
If you click on one of the pages to magnify it, RayT, an order form appears for you to b able to order it.

I managed to get the form but the problem was that I couldn’t see anything to order - just a blank screen (or maybe one of 40!)

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« Reply #64 on: Sunday 13 February 22 11:55 GMT (UK) »
If you click on one of the pages to magnify it, RayT, an order form appears for you to b able to order it.

I managed to get the form but the problem was that I couldn’t see anything to order - just a blank screen (or maybe one of 40!)

Hmmm... that's frustrating! I do wonder rejecting cookies might have had an effect.....
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Especially looking for - Sealey, Rogers, Cannings, Box, Sheppard in Wiltshire; Virgin, Slade, Abbott, Saint, Harper, Silverthorn in Somerset; and Virgin, Tarr, Beer in Devon

And most especially the origins of William Cannings,  a Baptist, born abt 1791 in Broughton Gifford, Wiltshire

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Re: probatesearch website
« Reply #65 on: Sunday 13 February 22 12:06 GMT (UK) »
Which reminds me, the calendar pages were indexed by 1st three letters only which is why the old system returned so many pages.

Based on that, I searched for my gg-grandfather's will in 1933, searching on the 1st 3 letters of his surname returned too many pages, adding in a 4th letter reduced the number of pages down to four but in the sequence 324, 323, 325, 322.

Moving onto 1934, the 4 pages were in the order 333, 334, 335, 332

A step forward for me but we shouldn't have to find a work around.

A search on the full surname of 5 letters still gives no pages.

Before the wildcard 'trick' became known I'd followed a similar logic and discovered a page could be found by searching for the first full surname which appears on that page.

E.g. Looking for "PAVELEY" d.1985 gives the following results for each search -

"Paveley" - 0 pages
"Pav*" - 2 pages
"Pave*" - 0 pages
"Pauwells" [no wildcard, first surname on page 6507] - 2 pages [including 6507]

I got this to work consistently in pre-1996 years - although obviously it is only any use if you already know (or can guess) the first surname on the page. (e.g. where you have searched on Ancestry first)

It seems the new indexing/search system is treating the first surname on each page in some different way to others on the page.  Note that I wasn't getting results for "Pave*" - I've found it inconsistent whether more than three characters+wildcard works ("Pauw*" in this case does).

"Frustrating" is the word I'd use about this update to a site which previously worked just fine.  Another annoyance is not being able to use right-click to save the page image - there are workarounds, but all involve more effort than a simple right-click.  :(

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Re: probatesearch website
« Reply #66 on: Monday 14 February 22 14:50 GMT (UK) »
Hopefully it's not just me!!!

I have signed on and found a link to "My Orders"  where I have found a list of many previously requested Wills, including the two most recent that I had not been able to Download. I have now done so.

It looks as if they are going back through past orders and re-building.  Some previously downloaded are marked 'Documents Pending', others I can download.

So it looks as if we have an almost working system again.

I still cannot find a way to search for a Will whilst logged in - curious, haven't tried this out but might have to search before logging in.

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« Reply #67 on: Monday 14 February 22 14:54 GMT (UK) »
Bizarrely i have one old one from 2018 which says ‘pending’ and my latest one which says ‘download’ but nothing happens. And no record of the many previously ordered in the ‘expired’ section. So it is improving - but still hard work. 
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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« Reply #68 on: Monday 14 February 22 15:10 GMT (UK) »
I'll second both Cordley and Dierdre784's posts. I now have 8 wills in the MyOrders tab and they were ordered prior to the change. The only ones I can download are 2 that I had been able to download before all this kerfuffle. The rest are marked as pending even though I previously received an email for one of them saying it was ready.

Given that I have been ordering a great many wills over the past few months, this isn't very impressive! Nothing in the "Expired Wills" category
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Especially looking for - Sealey, Rogers, Cannings, Box, Sheppard in Wiltshire; Virgin, Slade, Abbott, Saint, Harper, Silverthorn in Somerset; and Virgin, Tarr, Beer in Devon

And most especially the origins of William Cannings,  a Baptist, born abt 1791 in Broughton Gifford, Wiltshire

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« Reply #69 on: Monday 14 February 22 15:11 GMT (UK) »
I searched for a will this morning. The search itself was hard work, as it took numerous attempts using different length partial surname strings before I found the will I was looking for. Strange that using different length strings for the first characters of the name required produce completely different results, even though it is obvious that the search is matching on names longer than the number of characters entered. That part of the system is much more unwieldy than it used to be, and I wasn't offered any calendar page images to review at all during the search process.

But eventually, having found the record I was looking for and adding it to the basket, I was prompted to log in when attempting to pay. That worked seamlessly after the problems with trying to log in last week.

And the best part, totally unexpected, as soon as I had paid I was taken to the "My Orders" page, where there was already a download link highlighted against the record I had just paid for. I clicked on that, and a copy of the will and the grant of probate were both downloaded as two separate downloads, one for each document. If receiving copies of the documents ordered is going to be instant, or a matter of minutes, that is a great improvement on the previous system.

It seems that it is just the searching facilities that need improvement now, but it's getting there. Still seems very odd that you can only search for documents when logged out of your account though.
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« Reply #70 on: Monday 14 February 22 15:18 GMT (UK) »
Bizarrely i have one old one from 2018 which says ‘pending’ and my latest one which says ‘download’ but nothing happens. And no record of the many previously ordered in the ‘expired’ section. So it is improving - but still hard work.

I wonder if that might have something to do with how your system handles PDF files? I have my browser configured to open them in my PDF viewer (Foxit Reader). As I mentioned in my previous post, when I clicked on the download link against my order, a copy of the will immediately opened in Foxit Reader. After saving that image and closing Foxit, I had a pop-up telling me that I still had one document waiting to download, and when I accepted that, a copy of the grant opened in Foxit as well. It might be worth checking your browser's default download folder, just in case you find them there.
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« Reply #71 on: Monday 14 February 22 15:35 GMT (UK) »
Will check that, thanks phil57
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....