Is he Howard or Mann 0r both?

[Kay99]

This might be the family in 1881?  Living at Theatre Yard, Wells Next the Sea, Walsingham, Norfolk

Richard   Young Head Single   35 Bricklayers labour   Holkham, Norfolk
Susan   Mann   Boarder Single   33   Holkham, Norfolk
Frederick   Mann   3    Wells, Norfolk
Margaret   Mann 1   Wells, Norfolk
Harriett   Mann 0   Wells, Norfolk

Kay

Added  Ordering the birth cert from the GRO use the surname Howard as listed on their birth index

[Kay99]

Susan Mann married Hector Charles Hopie -  Dec Qtr 1886  Walsingham 4b   782    and he died in 1888 age 27

1891 Living at Wells
Susan Hopie    39 Widow  Charwoman Holkham, Norfolk
Frederick Hopie 13    Son Wells
Margarite Hopie 11    Daughter
Hariett Hopie 9    Daughter 

Kay

[Cynfran]

Thanks for all that Kay99

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Margaret had more children -

Triplets - Daniel Frederick Mann b 1908  Hindolveston, Norfolk burial 11 Nov 1908 Hindolveston
             George Albert Mann b 1908 Hindolveston, Norfolk burial 2 Feb 1909 Hindolveston
             John William Mann b 1908 Hindolveston   All baptised 18 Oct 1908 Mother Maggie Mann          Single Woman
Albert Edward Howard b 1910 Hindolveston - but I can't see him on the GRO
Florence May Howard mmn    Mann b 1911 Hindolveston baptised  5 Nov 1911 Hindolveston, Norfolk Parents James Robert and Margaret

Kay

HOWARD, ALBERT  EDWARD
mmn      MANN     
Q2  1910
 AYLSHAM  Volume 04B  Page 72

[Cynfran]

Thanks Kay and Margaret, Brilliant!
I’m sure now that I have James Frederick’s family and the origins of his sometimes used hyphenated name.
Howard-Mann was recorded as their surnames on at least two of his children’s marriage records.
I have no record of him between his birth/baptism and thereafter as ‘Howard’ at his marriage in 1929, in the 1939 Government Register and at his death in 1984.
I’ve had a similar case in our tree, where the ‘unmarried’ father’s name was added before the mother’s maiden name and eventually replaced it

[Kay99]

Glad it ties together

I think this is James Mann b 1905 Chiswick, Middlesex in 1911 living with James Howard's parents William and Harriet Howard in Hindolveston, Norfolk and it looks like he is still with the Howards in 1921
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X75L-BL2

Kay

[Cynfran]

Great work! Thank you so much Kay

[trish1120]

1886 Marriage is on FreeREG, Susan does not name a Father.
Says she is 30

Likely Bapt
03 Sep 1848 Holkham , Mother ANN

1851 Susan is with her Grandparents;
John Spooner   56
Mitchell Spooner 45
Susan Nann   2
(1861 also)

Ignore Trees that have Ann Manns Parents as James Mann and Ann Able.

ANN Mann was baptised 17 Nov 1828 to EDMUND/MITCHELL Mann 

Mitchell SANDFORD/Edward MANN married 4 Oct 1825

MITCHELL Mann, Widow, remarried 25 Oct 1844 to John SPOONER
(boy another confusing one as names her Father as Thomas BUTTERS!)

Ok so looks like she was illeg also as;
Marriage;
Jemima SANDFORD
Thomas BUTTERS married 29 Jul 1817

1861 Census we have;
Jamima Butters 90
Susan Mann 21 Granddaughter
Florence A Mann 1

Florence Ann MANN was bapt 23 Feb 1870 Mother SUSAN

Mitchell SANDFORD bapt 23 Jan 1806, Mother JEMIMA a singlewoman

All above on FreeREG in Holkham.

Trish

[Cynfran]

Thank you Trish. I never dreamt, when I started this thread simply as an enquiry into possible cause of differing maiden names, that it would lead to such a wealth of information. So thank you to all that have contributed to the story of James 'Howard' and his family