Greenock Census and Deaths

[rosie17]

Monica I think this is the family on the 1861 census transcribed as Dinning
Address 5,Broad Close Greenock
Margaret Dinning ( head ) age 63 born Ireland
Patrick Dinning age 22 born Ireland (Quay labourer ) son
Sarah Dinning age 19 born Ireland ( General servant )daughter
Patrick Dinning age 23 born Ireland ( Smith's labourer ) nephew

Rosie

[Genie24]

Yes Monica and Rosie. That is them on the 1861 census. John Dunning is deceased but I don't know when. He was dead when his son Matthew (Rose Ann's brother) married on the 23rd November 1857.

My great x 4 grandfather Patrick or Peter Dunning was in Greenock in 1841 boarding at 24 Market Street. He lived between number 24 and 26 for the rest of his life, dying at number 24. His family had joined him from Ireland before 1851. I don't know if his brother came with him or much later.

Strangely, different mother's names are recorded on the records. Rose Ann's marriage states her mother was Margaret Dunning  and that was also her maiden name so both Dunnings, but her death record states Catherine Dunning. Matthew's marriage record states his mother is Rose Ann Dunning maiden name I think Tierney and she was not recorded as deceased so this may be a clue. His death record in 1888  states his mother was Margaret Dunning deceased. Very strange.

[rosie17]

Think a lot depends on information given by the person registering the death but you would say information on the Marriage for Mathew Dunnion he would know 

Problem with different variations of the spelling of the surname does not help think we should look for baptisms in Ireland ..I see the family were RC

Rosie

[MonicaL]

Thanks for the 1861 census details, Rosie 

Genie24, have you figured out who the nephew Patrick was who was with the family in 1861? Was he the son of your Patrick or of another sibling to John?

Monica

[rosie17]

I checked the nephew Hugh McLean aged 10 years on the 1881 census with Mathew Dunning. His mother was Margaret Dunning looks like another child of John and Margaret Dunning ..She married a Hugh McLean 1867 Ayr record as Margaret Dinnie /Dunnan
Father John Dunnan ( farmer deceased ) Mother Margaret Dunnan deceased

Rosie

[rosie17]

Possible 1861  census record Roman Catholic School St Quivox Ayrshire
Margaret Dinning age 17 born Ireland ( servant )

Rosie

[Genie24]

Apologies Monica and Rosie. I didn't get a notification so wasn't aware of your replies. Sorry!

No, I have never worked out the nephew Patrick on the 1861 census. It's a mystery!  However, I have just discovered a sister for my Patrick. A long story but it emerged after researching the person who purchased a lair where several Dunning descendants  lie buried. It's taken 5 years to work out his identity. His mother was Jane Dunning. This Patrick could be her illegitimate son or the son of another sibling I haven't discovered yet. I have no other Patricks in my tree born around that time. Patrick had a son Peter, who could also be a Patrick but he was born about 1856.

I can't trace the census record you refer to  for Hugh McLean living with Matthew Dunning. Are you able to direct me to finding it as he is not in my tree. I am very interested as his parents are recorded as John Dunning farmer and Margaret  Dunnan but John Dunning's wife died in 1866. Or I have misunderstoon and it was Hugh McLean's mother Margaret who had parents John and Margaret.  If Margaret was the daughter of John and Margaret, then I've missed her completely.

The 1861 St. Quivox census for Margaret sounds promising too.

Very much appreciated.

[Genie24]

Right, it's very strange but Hugh McLean does not show on the 1881 census I have for Matthew Dunning at 6 Trafalgar Street, Yet he does appear separately with a John McMenniman who I assume is a child of a brother of his wife Sarah McMennamin. There are only two of them on the record. So, this does appear that Margaret is a sibling I knew nothing about. It's very exciting. That's two new Dunnings I've discovered in just a few days.

[rosie17]

It's on the transcribed census on findmypast address 6,Trafalgar Street
You are right about the other census record

Hugh  Alexander McLean was born 2 May 1870
Maybole Ayr Scotland
Father Hugh  McLean
Mother Margaret Dinnie

The marriage for his parents was in 1867 Ayr as I mentioned so her mother was deceased by then ( 1866) If you PM your email I will send you the copy

Rosie