How much proof do you need?

[rogerb]

Are there any likely births for Sarah around Carmarthen, although being a Jones there are likely to be several I imagine
I would mark the marriage as a strong possibility

Not sure yet - probably look for John Morley first...

[coombs]

Have you found John Morley on the censuses? Did he die when Mary was young or did he live to the 1851 census which gave more precise birthplaces?

I have a Warrington born ancestor who lived in Norfolk in the 1500s, he mentioned his home town in his will. I also have an ancestor who lived in Colchester in the 1500s and her will mentions her Lincolnshire family, plus I have many more recent ancestors who moved over the country before 1900.

[Bee]

Maybe of interest

Taken from the Carmarthen page on genuki.org.uk

"while its intercourse with Bristol and other towns, in the importation of goods of various descriptions for the supply of the neighbouring country, adds another important feature to its commerce. Vessels of three hundred tons burden can float up to the town, where there is a large and convenient quay. "

[wivenhoe]

"In the 1841, if it her, she is from outside the county (of Sussex)"

There seems to be some uncertainty here.

You have a marriage certificate for Mary Eliza MORLEY, b about 1832.

Can you list all the information on her marriage certificate please.

[rogerb]

Have you found John Morley on the censuses? Did he die when Mary was young or did he live to the 1851 census which gave more precise birthplaces?

I have a Warrington born ancestor who lived in Norfolk in the 1500s, he mentioned his home town in his will. I also have an ancestor who lived in Colchester in the 1500s and her will mentions her Lincolnshire family, plus I have many more recent ancestors who moved over the country before 1900.

Unfortunately I have never managed to find a census/death/remarriage of either John or Sarah Morley.  And looking a Bristol Baptisms of the same date range, it looks like there may have been 2 or 3 other children - but again, I have not found any subsequent records.

[rogerb]

"In the 1841, if it her, she is from outside the county (of Sussex)"

There seems to be some uncertainty here.

You have a marriage certificate for Mary Eliza MORLEY, b about 1832.

Can you list all the information on her marriage certificate please.

Regarding the MC - I can't find it at the moment.  You know when you move house and you still have unopened boxes several years later...

But I do remember that her father was John Morley, deceased, Mariner.  In fact, until the find at the beginning of this thread, this was the only evidence of his occupation that I had.

Regarding the 1841 census, you are right - there is some doubt.  There is a Mary Morley of about the right age living in Hellingly, but born outside the county.  She is living with an elderly couple Mr and Mrs Parsons.  I have not been able to establish a link between the Parsons with anyone associated with the Morley family so I don't know why she would be living there.  But I can't find any other Mary Morleys in the 1851 census, other than my one.  Then in 1851 my Mary Morley is living in Brighton.

Thanks for your interest

Roger

[rogerb]

Maybe of interest

Taken from the Carmarthen page on genuki.org.uk

"while its intercourse with Bristol and other towns, in the importation of goods of various descriptions for the supply of the neighbouring country, adds another important feature to its commerce. Vessels of three hundred tons burden can float up to the town, where there is a large and convenient quay. "

Thanks - it means that the leap between Carmarthen and Bristol isn't as random as I first thought

[Andrew Tarr]

I have found a marriage on FindMyPast between John Morley, a mariner, and Sarah Jones in Carmarthen in 1822.

I checked for Morley births in Carmarthen but there were none.

Is it too much of a leap to think that this pair moved from Carmarthen to Bristol?  I know its not that far, but as we have probably all seen, people didn't really move too far from home 200 years ago.  The dates, names and occupation match up, but the location is worrying me.

At that time I think the convention that marriages took place at the bride's church was usually observed.  Jones is the commonest Welsh surname, so that fits with Carmarthen.

In the 1850s my paternal ancestors upped sticks from Devon and went to southern Ireland, where they farmed for about 25 years, but clearly stayed in touch with 'home'.  When the patriarch died in 1877, some children had died or settled.  But the remainder chose to return to Devon; George married a grocer's shop-assistant in Kingsbridge, while that grocer went to Dungarvan to marry one of the women.  That's a lot further than Bristol to Carmarthen - and he would have to have gone to Exeter or Plymouth first !

[trish1120]

EDWARD Morley Bapt 24 Sep 1826 Redcliffe, St Mary, Bristol, Glous
Age 0, Parents JOHN/SARAH
Father a Mariner
Abode St Nicholas
(Anc and on F/S also)

Also a possible burial for Edward age 2 1828 Barking, Essex