Charles Holt b 1811

[CaroleW]

Baptism Eccles St Mary 19.2.1834 - Samuel Holt son of Charles & Alice - Charles was a carpenter

No middle name of Foden

[Pennines]

Good find Carole. The father of Charles was Samuel Foden Holt, according to the marriage of Charles in Liverpool. Looks like it may have been a maiden name from further back.

I am beginning to think the family emigrated - maybe to Australia/NZ where there are no census records. A 'blanket' search isn't finding him for me at the moment after the marriage.

[CaroleW]

Elizabeth Cunnah/Jones appears to possibly have had Welsh connections - she was 28 when she married in 1855 but previously married John Jones in 1846 in St Asaph

[rosie99]

The family are indeed living in Wisbech in 1851 (on the site I am looking at - the Genealogist - it says 'Geographically Cambridge'.)

1851 Census has them living in the parish of Upwell Isle - Fen.  This area straddles both counties https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CAM/Upwell
Pennines is correct that it is normally classed as Cambridgeshire

[Monty Dog]

Morning, thanks for all the information.

I've found a marriage for an Elizabeth Holt to John Ratcliffe 6 Oct 1866 which looks promising. It was at St John Church, Manchester.

Ann married George Duncan 18 Dec 1859, I have details of this family.

There’s a Charles, son of Samuel and Ann b 21 Feb 1808. (Lancs OPC) I  know his marriage to Elizabeth would suggest 1811 but as he was so much older maybe he knocked a few years off.

Seems very likely Foden is an earlier surname. Hadn’t thought of emigration.

Samuel Foden Holt, my gt grandad,  son of Charles and Ellen, went to Ireland, married Eliza Galbraith 1853, then Susan Thompson, gt grandma, 1874, he died 12 Jun 1899.

So there’s just Ellen, Alice and Mary Jane to find now.

How these families do grow, found a brother and sister for Susan Thompson last week which gave her 22 nieces and nephews.

Thank you so much for your time and help. Much appreciated.

[Ladyhawk]

Seems very likely Foden is an earlier surname. Hadn’t thought of emigration.

Samuel Foden Holt, my gt grandad,  son of Charles and Ellen, went to Ireland, married Eliza Galbraith 1853, then Susan Thompson, gt grandma, 1874, he died 12 Jun 1899.

Not that this helps with finding out where his middle name came from on his probate record middle name spelt FOWDEN on his will he signs as Samuel Holt

Probate of the Will of Samuel Fowden Holt late of Aghafoy County Donegal, Railway Inspector died 12 Jan 1899 granted at Londonderry to widow Susan Holt of Aghafoy

1899 Probate http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014911/005014911_00117.pdf

1899 Will
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=223344

If you haven't got them both marriages & his death entry are available to view on https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

[Monty Dog]

Thank you for info on Samuel.
Spent most of the day searching for anything on Ellen, Elizabeth and Mary Jane.
Ellen was baptised twice,
1. Top Chapel : Countess of Huntington's Connexion, Tyldesley on 11 Dec 1836.
2.  St George, Tyldesley on 12 Feb 1837

There’s an Elizabeth marries John Ratcliffe, 6 Oct 1866, father Charles, joiner. Can find no children or family trees on Ancestry.

Found nothing about Mary Jane.

Think I’ll call it a day on the girls, the Foden connection and finding Samuel Foden Holt, (gtx3 Grandad). Pleased with what has been found, onward and upward with the next elusive ancestor.
Thanks for your help.