Clare Family

[Lucy2]

re:  Gertrude Ruth JONAS  [McDONALD]  :            * * *   see  explanation below  * * *

This may be the birth mother's own birth in NZ ??

1885 / 8402  - JONAS - Clara
Parents:    Emma and Moss JONAS
This birth was registered at Mt. Cook. 
Date of Birth is 25 February 1885

[Can only find two girls named as "Clara JONAS" - another born c. 1872 has a second christian  name
... will check out both of them further. ]

   ~    Lu

Added :     Mt. Cook is MacKenzie country ... did you say Charlotte and James once resided in the MacKenzie ?

* * *    Monday  12.28 am NZ Time --   I have just found some new information for both Clara JONAS (b. 1885) and Clara Johanna JONAS > who also used the surname RYDER >  (born NZ 1872).
Having read a report on the Jewish wedding 1911, in Canada of Clara JONAS (b. 1885),  I began to have doubts she was the mother of Gertrude Ruth.     On checking NZ BDM once more I noticed a further 3 births - 1903 / 1904 / 1906, which had "Clara - mother and NR for father".    Then there are another 4 births which have mother "Clara Johanna / Clara Josephine - Father NR" :    There are trees at ancestry.com for both of the Claras ... and Gertrude Ruth (b. 1899)  is claimed to be the daughter of Clara Johanna JONAS (RYDER) ?  Conversely, on another site, I saw information which claimed Gertrude Ruth and a child Florence to be daughters of Clara (b. 1885).   All 8 of these births were registered at Christchurch where Clara Johanna resided.   I can also see that an infant > Florence JONAS aged 5 months died on 8 August 1903 and is buried at Christchurch.  It appears then that Clara Johanna JONAS used only the name "Clara" when registering the first 3 or 4 of her children ... hence the confusion which resulted in me making the wrong call.      But the only way to know for sure who Gertrude's mother is, is to purchase a copy of her birth record (and it is the "printout" version you'll need - it has the maximum amount of information available).     So apologies for this "stuff up" - it happens sometimes when there is so much material to have to read through.   ~   Lu       * * *

[Lucy2]

The Clara JONAS born 1885 is named in the will of her father, Moss JONAS who died at Timaru in 1907.   Link to Probate file  >
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE64824663

Clara JONAS, spinster, was also residing at Timaru in 1907.

    ~  Lu

Added information - JONAS family :   Ideally I'm searching for what became of Clara (no marriage found in NZ under that name / no apparent death in NZ ... but still much to look at. )
Her mother Emma and sister Jane went to live in Dunedin :  Emma died there in 1919 (her sister married in same year ).   Link to death notice for Emma (another notice confirms she was the widow of Moss JONAS.)   https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT19190121.2.14
  ~  Lu

* * * * *   See explanation at Reply 36

[Lucy2]

For Koroforo - JONAS Family :           * * *    Please now see info at Reply 36    * * *

Aah ... have struck "gold", finally.   
 
Information in the following link that "Miss Clara JONAS has married Mr T. GOLDSTEIN of Vancouver" :
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THD19111202.2.46.3.1

And a report of the intention of Emma JONAS and her (unnamed) daughter to relocate to Dunedin.
[The daughter is Jane > now known as Jeanie or Jeannie JONAS - had found her earlier on the electoral roll for Dunedin. ]    Just incidentally,  Moss JONAS was at one time (1880's), the Mayor of Timaru.    Further info at PapersPast website > 
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers

    ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

JONAS family :                                                  * * *    see explanation at Reply 36

Obituaries for Moss JONAS >

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THD19071106.2.37

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19071106.2.39.2

You'll see in one of these that he spent time in Vancouver ... and America.

    ~  Lu

Added :  I feel quietly confident that Clara belongs to the Moss and Emma JONAS family (especially now having read about the Vancouver connection).  I looked for the other girl who was named Clara Johanna JONAS - born 1872 - place unknown - was the daughter of Anna and John JONAS.   Several reports in Westport papers that she was a neglected child 1878-1879 - eventually returned to her father's care.    She died as Clara Johanna JONAS at Christchurch in 1930 aged 65 years.

[mckha489]

Such a pleasure to watch this unfold today Lucy2

[shanreagh]

If the dates are correct and they will be as our Lucy2 researcher has been researching,
the 'girl'/teenager Clara Jonas was very young.....she was about 14-15 years when her child was born.

And I would add my voice to that of mckha489! Excellent. 

[shanreagh]

Looking at the Jonas-Goldstein link there is this death on FS of Aileen  Goldstein Eaton in Los Angeles in 1987. She was born in 1909. 

There is this link to the Findagrave site that has more information about her family and her life.  Aileen Eaton is a very interesting person. She would be a half sibling to the child born in 1899

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/78725286/aileen-eaton

Then there is this reference to a 1902 birth in Los Angeles of a Cyril Moss (Jonas?) on a death in LA on 5/12/1987
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPZ7-X2R

And a puzzling link in 1921 of a Marriage Jonas- Goldstein in San Francisco (no first names given)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL4T-R33T

[Lucy2]

Thank you mckha and shanreagh    

.... just lucky I think I was, to get "one" which unfolded so easily.   
[That's two this week that have blown me away - the LEAMAN / McPherson one .... with the Letters of Adminstration file - 55 pages of it - with BD & M certs (for Africa - almost).   Truly a family historian's dream package.    I've never encountered anything quite like that before.    ]

    ~   Lu

* * *    Well, eating my HAT now !!   Seems I've stuffed up and picked the wrong Clara :          (Explained at Reply 36 ) 

[Lucy2]

Hello Koroforo

At the familysearch.org website ...  there appears to be a number of records for Clara JONAS in Canada.     

Firstly ... the Marriage record for Clara JONAS (of Timaru, New Zealand) to Isaac GOLDSTEIN - 30 November 1911 - Vancouver, British Colombia, Canada :  You can download this.

*   There is possibly a citizenship record ?   Clara JONAS or GOLDSTEIN

*   Several other records in name of same Clara JONAS - one for a previous trip to Canada (looks like) ?

*   And the possibility that there's another researcher of Clara JONAS ??   

Haven't examined them all in detail, so will leave you to discover more. 

In case you're not familiar with familysearch site, I found it easiest to select from menu (top of screen)  "Records" which should return a search box  ... and then into this type name (2 boxes) -- Place :  Vancouver, British Colombia, Canada  -  and add 1885 (her birth year) in last box.

   ~ Lu

Added :    I went back over the above information - and a report on her traditional Jewish wedding had me thinking this Clara JONAS (b, 1885) is the wrong one.    I'll leave all the notes on here.

* * *    please refer to explanation at Reply 36    * * *

    ~  Lu