Clare Family

[Dnallov]

Don't want to get too excited, but I have a DNA link to a "Fuller" with numerous records in NZ

If I can link Lillian Margaret Fuller to the above, THEN I'm going to get excited!

Lillian middle name Margaret? Margaret > Peggy?  Would it be too much of a push to think Arther got his short term love in the UK to name their daughter after his mum?  Think I may be clutching at staws on that one

Can't thank you all enough for all the help guys.  Yesterday I was hitting a brick wall, today I may have (possibly) found one half of the story

[minniehaha]

This marriage?

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LT18941213.2.2.1?phrase=2&query=lillian+margaret+fuller&snippet=true


Minniehaha.

[mckha489]

I don’t think Arthur William went soon enough
His full record is here

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE24342399
 

I make a date of 17 Sept 1917 as his start date.
Unless I am reading it incorrectly. Which is always possible
 

Added. And he didn’t start his foreign service until 31 December 1917

[Dnallov]

I don’t think Arthur William went soon enough
His full record is here

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE24342399
 

I make a date of 17 Sept 1917 as his start date.
Unless I am reading it incorrectly. Which is always possible
 

Added. And he didn’t start his foreign service until 31 December 1917

Ah - OK.  Jumped the gun again it seems.  Add it to the unlikely pile

[shanreagh]

In the earlier thread that we have asked to be merged I made the point that WW1 was not declared until July1914. 

A child born 20/11/1914 would have had a conception before July 1914.

Some NZ families from the UK did send their children 'home' for further education or help with a career.  My oldest Aunt was sent to Barts and two uncles went to Sandhurst.   

PS I also asked if the DNA could have come from a Seabrook/Clare mother.  If so perhaps a daughter went to the UK

[Dnallov]

In the earlier thread that we have asked to be merged I made the point that WW1 was not declared until July1914. 

A child born 20/11/1914 would have had a conception before July 1914.

Some NZ families from the UK did send their children 'home' for further education or help with a career.  My oldest Aunt was sent to Barts and two uncles went to Sandhurst.   

PS I also asked if the DNA could have come from a Seabrook/Clare mother.  If so perhaps a daughter went to the UK

Good point well made, and sorry for missing that.  Added to my notes

Could indeed be a daughter; assumed it was a son with the WWI angle but will broaden my search now we know that WW1 is unlickly to be a factor

[shanreagh]

Soooo, how is the best way forward?  Do we look at each child and do a BDM and look at shipping lists to the UK? 
Do we follow up the Seabrook name in the UK? 

[shanreagh]

If the birth is in Islington, rather than the isle of Wight,  there is an old reference to a Dunedin wedding in 1867 of a daughter of a Francis Henry Clare of Islington. 
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT18671019.2.10?end_date=31-12-1870&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=henry+clare&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1839

[shanreagh]

Don't want to get too excited, but I have a DNA link to a "Fuller" with numerous records in NZ

If I can link Lillian Margaret Fuller to the above, THEN I'm going to get excited!

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Lillian Margaret Fuller Clare died aged 59 in 1925
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19250205.2.73.2?end_date=31-12-1930&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=henry+william++clare&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1900

They have these children:
1897/9578   Clare   Arthur William        Lillian Margaret   Henry William      
1899/12043   Clare   Lawrence Erle        Lillian Margaret   Henry William      
1903/3123   Clare   Viola Joan                Lillian Margaret   Henry William      
1914/29623   Clare   Moana Lillian        Lillian Margaret   Henry William   

His death:
1936/18167   Clare   Henry William   69Y


You have copied the roll entry for 140407 Henry William Clare, London Regt Machine Gun Corps.  This looks to be a UK regiment.  Not sure of the dates of the roll (there is a printed stamped date that looks to be in 1920, and why HW Clare was in the UK. 

Just drawing attention to the 1914 birth registration* of the last child.  There is a way of finding out when the birth was registered.  If we can find H W Clare's service records we can see where he might have been at the time of conception. 

According to the death registration she was born on 30/8/1896 so it could have been a late registration. She sounds an interesting person being a teacher at a school for the deaf, singer and piano and organ accompanist. 

death
1973/36382   Clare   Moana Lillian   30 August 1896