Clare Family

[Dnallov]

Hi Guys

I'm here thanks to this adventure >
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=857372.new#new
Long story short; my Grandmother (Peggy Richards 1914) was adopted and with very little information I'm in search of her real parents
I have no idea where Peggy was actually born, but she only knew life in London (mainly Hanwell) and I think it's likely she was born in the UK.  Her adopted parents were Frank Richards (1890) & Florance Hale (1887)
Using Ancestry DNA I have found a likely bloodline for Peggy's side being the Clare Family.  Specifically, I have 8 trees linking back to a "Francis Clare (1810)" and have pinpointed that Henry Clare (1840) & Charlotte Seabrook (1842) as likely Grandparents or Great Grandparents to Peggy (I pinpointed this as having a separate DNA match to Seabrook)
Henry & Charlotte emigrated to New Zealand somewhere between 1865 & 1866.  They had one daughter in the UK born in 1865, Charlotte Clare, but fair to say that she went to New Zealand.  There are a possible  5 Children in total as listed below

Charlotte Clare (1865) Born Shoreditch, London, EnglandGeorge Clare O.B.E. (1868) Born New ZealandHarriet Sarah Clare (1870) Born New ZealandJames Clare (1872) Born New ZealandClara Clare (1874) Born New Zealand
However, these are garnered from otehr trees and I've already found a lot of errors so may not be correct.  Clara Clare has a DNA link and Charlotte Clare is confirmed by the records in the UK so both certain
And then I hit a wall.  I can't seem to find any records on Ancestry and seme to be a real lack of anything with details
Any pointers or help would be much appreciated 

 

[mckha489]

continuing on from the other thread
re the names of children born in NZ and the children alive at time of Charlotte's death in 1912

Males
48 - so born 1864 - either age is wrong or is son born before NZ
45 - born 1867 -  George who was born 1868 (I haven't drilled down for exact dates of any of these)
42 - born 1870 -  James - who whereabouts are unknown when they are sorting out Charlotte's estate.

Females
49 - born 1863 before coming to NZ
35 - born 1877  either Ellen Emma who was born 1876
                        or Francis who was born 1878
31 - born 1881 Caroline Esther born 1881. Edith Alice born 1882 see reply #4
27 - born 1885 Florence. born 1886

[Dundee]

48 - so born 1864 - either age is wrong or is son born before NZ

Possibly this one:

CLARE, HENRY  WILLIAM
Mother's maiden surname: SEABROOK
GRO Reference: 1866  D Quarter in WEST HAM UNION  Volume 04A  Page 42      

There is a possible NZ marriage in 1894.

Debra 

[mckha489]

From memorial notices can see names of some sons in law

so

Florence married Linton Charles PIMM 1908
Clara married Thomas Richard JAMES 1897 but died in 1906
Charlotte married James Mellows Mc/MacDONALD 1896
Edith Alice married Charles Herbert DOBSON 1902.   They divorced in 1913

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adding anyway

[mckha489]

Edith Alice married Charles Herbert DOBSON 1902.   They divorced in 1913

so it's Edith who is alive in 1912, NOT Caroline Esther (who died age 9 months in 1882)

[shanreagh]

OP I think it is really necessary to find a DoB, if you can, for Peggy or confirm the one below. 

There is a poster on the original thread who has found a birth in the Isle of Wight. Nov 1914. You have mentioned C1915 on that same thread.  Does your Dad remember the day and month she celebrated her birthday? 

Do you have these details?

It would be useful to find out details of the adoptive parents birth/Death. I have found a Middlesex marriage mid 1913. 

[Dnallov]

OP I think it is really necessary to find a DoB, if you can, for Peggy or confirm the one below. 

There is a poster on the original thread who has found a birth in the Isle of Wight. Nov 1914. You have mentioned C1915 on that same thread.  Does your Dad remember the day and month she celebrated her birthday? 

Do you have these details?

It would be useful to find out details of the adoptive parents birth/Death. I have found a Middlesex marriage mid 1913.

Annoyingly a lot of my posts in that thread is getting stuck "under moderation"; hopefully this one will get through!

So the 1921 Census has been read incorrectly; Peggy is actually listed as being born in Islington (not IOW).

The 1939 register shows Peggys DOB as 20 Nov 1914.

This person posting has happened across my tree which is here for those with Ancestory access

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/9383499/family/familyview?cfpid=6871813699&fpid=6871813699&usePUBJs=true

And for reference here is the Clare Family tree I have composed, but now needs updating with teh information posted here!

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/171705968/family/familyview?cfpid=282230045129

Florance Hale was Born in 1887/ Passed in 1950
Frank Richards was Born in 1890/ Passed in 1932

Thanks guys - this has already been fantastic!

[Dnallov]

48 - so born 1864 - either age is wrong or is son born before NZ

Possibly this one:

CLARE, HENRY  WILLIAM
Mother's maiden surname: SEABROOK
GRO Reference: 1866  D Quarter in WEST HAM UNION  Volume 04A  Page 42      

There is a possible NZ marriage in 1894.

Debra 

Can I ask where you got that info - I can't seem to replicate it.  I can find the record in the Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915, but no mothers maiden name?

However, I have found a Henry William Clare on somebody else's tree; same guy (born 1866 in West Ham) and married & died in NZ so looks likely to be their missing first son.

Rather interestingly he was in the UK during the war.  He would have been 48

[Dnallov]

Also his son, Arther William also served.  His service record shows his dad as being a Henry William Clare, a UK citizen who was a NZ resident for 30 years which would line up about right