Finding my Grandmothers Blood Family

[Dnallov]

Annoyingly a lot of my posts in this thread is getting stuck "under moderation"; hopefully this one will get through!

So I have replied to a number of points, but just to go over some again as the posts aren't showing (this is the same I have posted on the NZ thread which I will delete when the moderator merges)

So the 1921 Census has been read incorrectly; Peggy is actually listed as being born in Islington (not IOW).

The 1939 register shows Peggys DOB as 20 Nov 1914.

This person posting has happened across my tree which is here for those with Ancestory access

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/9383499/family/familyview?cfpid=6871813699&fpid=6871813699&usePUBJs=true

And for reference here is the Clare Family tree I have composed, but now needs updating with the information posted here!

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/171705968/family/familyview?cfpid=282230045682

Florance Hale was Born in 1887/ Passed in 1950
Frank Richards was Born in 1890/ Passed in 1932

Thanks guys - this has already been fantastic!

[Dnallov]

Suspicion might fall here!

Son James’ whereabouts unknown after his mother died

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MEX19151022.2.40.6?items_per_page=10&page=3&query=Clare%2c+Charlotte+elizabeth&snippet=true

Well, that looks interesting!  Certainly will be an interesting rabbit hole to follow... 

[brigidmac]

what an exciting search

have you found any other cluster of surnames even small ?

i presume you have used the colour coding groups
sometimes having groups for locations helps too

if you have people with one colour for CLARE another for  Seacroft + others for New Zealand + isleworth you may find where ancestors cross

I.ve just had success after a year searching using surname hunts for a match to unknown great
grandfather

the surname i was looking at as connection was not thru one of the sons but to their fathers wifes eldest sister so i was looking at wrong surname for the connection your CLARE children could be all blood related thru a grandmother further up the tree  i
does that make sense .?
 

[Dnallov]

what an exciting search

have you found any other cluster of surnames even small ?

i presume you have used the colour coding groups
sometimes having groups for locations helps too

if you have people with one colour for CLARE another for  Seacroft + others for New Zealand + isleworth you may find where ancestors cross

I.ve just had success after a year searching using surname hunts for a match to unknown great
grandfather

the surname i was looking at as connection was not thru one of the sons but to their fathers wife's eldest sister so i was looking at the wrong surname for the connection your CLARE children could be all blood related thru a grandmother further up the tree  i
does that make sense .?

Yes - I have 1 other group but not as large and hard to ping down a common point.  That would be the "Males".  I have dozens of other groups (all colour coded), but no discernable links between the included trees - however, I continue to return to them of course

And yes - totally makes sense.  I've been building trees then working back through marriages families to see if there are any DNA matches, and then I can confirm connections.  It's a long job; often completing others trees for them!  It's a fantastic moment when you find something by connecting the dots!

It's rather annoying that Ancestry doesn't include better search features such as searching full names.  Also, it would be fantastic if under others' "shared matches" it would show their "Possible DNA relationships" instead of mine.

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It's rather annoying that Ancestry doesn't include better search features such as searching full names.  Also, it would be fantastic if under others' "shared matches" it would show their "Possible DNA relationships" instead of mine.
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Amen. Ancestry could make major improvements. I find the way Myheritage organise it a much more useful tool.

[JMB1943]

I posted a reply to your thread about an hour ago.

It has disappeared into the ether, unless there was an operator error.

I'll try again,

It occurs to me that there IS a possible paper route to locate Peggy Richard’s’ biological mother.

1) You note that in Census 1921, Peggy’s birthplace is given as Isleworth (Middx).

2) What was the street address of Frank & Florence in the census?

3) From FreeBmd, the Hale/Richards marriage was at Uxbridge (Middx) in Q3, 1913.

4) Note both known locations in Middlesex; is street address also in Middlesex?

One hundred years ago, childbirth outside of marriage carried a lot of stigma, and many unmarried women would give up their baby for adoption.

5) If we assume that the birthdate of 20-Nov-14 is true [btw, what is the source for this?] and that the mother named her daughter Margaret, we can enter search parameters into FreeBmd to locate possible birth mothers. This is possible because an illegitimate child will be registered with the same surname as the mother.
A search of FreeBmd for,

sex: female
start date: Q1, 1913
end date : Q4, 1915
County: Middlesex
First name: Margaret

finds about 2230 matches.
Inspection to find the same surname for mother and child gives only a few hits.

Q1, 1913: Edginton; Mason
Q2, 1913: Dennis; Elworthy; Holland; Lightfoot*; Murphy; Storey
Q3, 1913: Haines; Hall(s); Julian; McCabe; Reade; Singleton*;
Q4, 1913: Hurcomb; Lockwood; Skates; Startin
Q1, 1914: Brock; Butcher*; Curtis*; Dowling; Hager; Welfare; Wolstenholme
Q2, 1914: Bullock; Dean; Erith;

Just one half in case this too disappears.

Regards,
JMB

Edit: I'll finish this later today.

Edit Apparently my full post went in at tthe end of the Clare Family in NZ thread.

[Dnallov]

Edit: I'll finish this later today.

Hi!  Thank you for this; coincidentally, I'm just picking this up again to try and find anything new

This similar line has occurred to me in the past, and I have played around with the search in a similar fashion, cross-checking several surnames that I have "of interest"

However, I am pretty certain there is no blood relation to either Hale or Richards, as I have extensively searched the DNA trial, and there are no actual hits.  I have picked up dozens of hits on other branches of my family tree, so I suspect Peggy has been adopted.  It's also worth noting that Florance never had any other children, which was unusual for the time, so I suspect Florance was unable to have Children

Up until a couple of years ago, I was working with the strong assumption that Peggy was adopted within the family, even had my suspicions of where that occurred, but after the DNA database became so large, I now work with the assumption this is unlikely

I'm cautious about the birthplace being indicated in Middlesex - that could just be where she was adopted and be the information passed down from Mother to her adopted Daughter.

Unconnected, but I was heartened to find this snipped - Peggy wrote an obituary to her mother, and then a year later "in memorial" (attached).  Whatever the story here, Peggy was more than happy to call Florance her Mother.

[JMB1943]

Dnallov,

Do you know the street address of the Richards family in the 1921 Census?

Regards,

JMB

[Dnallov]

Dnallov,

Do you know the street address of the Richards family in the 1921 Census?

Regards,

JMB

36a Station Road, Hanwell