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Offline Dnallov

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Finding my Grandmothers Blood Family
« on: Sunday 09 January 22 17:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi Guys - long time family researcher, but new member; go easy on me  :)

I'm looking for some help and pointers in my journey to find my Grandmother real family.  She was Peggy Richards.  I hope my quick summary of my journey doesn't bore you!  The questions are at the bottom  :)

My Grandmother on my Fathers side was reputedly adopted.  She would have been born c1915, and passed in 1964 with few stories passed on, and unfortunately was an only child so no family (and no extended family from the adopted side - certainly none now with stories to tell).  So the only real source of this information is from my dad (now 80) who claimed it as fact, but the memory is hazy about how he knew this (he seems to think she had adoption papers, but I think this might be unlikely)

I always believed this claim to be true because from composing her family tree I saw that Peggy's adopted Parents (Frank Richards & Florance Hale) only had Peggy and no other children.  All other family members around this time were knocking them out weekly, so I wondered if Frank & Florance couldn't have children so adopted one.  I could also find no birth record for my Peggy, so was certain that she was adopted.

Anyhoo - Fast forward to when Ancestry DNA started to become a thing.  Both I and my Dad carried it out, and it became apparent that there are zero connections with other Richards, Hales (or any branch) so not only was Peggy most certainly adopted, she was adopted completely outside of the family

After finding out for certain that Peggy was adopted, I've been keen to find out (if possible) that line of the family.  That's not to say I have lost interest in her adopted side as I still see that as part of my family story of course

So have looked for any clues in any records, and found none so far.  However, DNA gave me my first "Eureka" moment a couple of years back.  I mapped out my and my dad DNA relations and isolated all those linked to either my own mum's side or my dad's personal side.  I then went through those with no apparent connection to my other lines (but with a strong DNA connection) and grouped those who had links with others (shared matches) to see if I could find family.  And I got a hit on one of these groups; this group had 12 trees in total, with 8 trees linking back to a "Francis Clare (1810)".

My next task took a while - I basically mapped out the entire Clare family from Francis Clare onwards.  As I added spouses I searched the DNA database to see if there were any hits, and eventually, I got one.  Henry Clare (1840) was married to a Charlotte Seabrook (1842) and I had somebody with a DNA match that related to Charlotte Seabrook

So I feel like I'm getting close, but then I hit a brick wall.  Henry & Charlotte emigrated to New Zealand somewhere between 1865 & 1866.  they had one daughter in the UK born in 1865, Charlotte Clare, but fair to say that she went to New Zealand.  I think there are 5 Children in total

The problem is I'm finding it really hard to find anything records in New Zealand to help try and trace the family to find the next link.  Peggy could be the daughter of one of the 5 Children, but think it more likely it is one more generation, and simply can't map that out

So questions;

1. What route(s) can I go through to better map the New Zealand side of the Clare Family
2. What else can I look into that can possibly help find information on my Grand Mothers blood family.  My dad suggested there were adoption certificates, but would this have been true in 1915?
3. Is there something I'm missing in the Ancestry DNA results I can use to better navigate the results.  I'm finding it really chunky, and annoying that I can't better search it
4. Any Help at all really!

Thanks Guys

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Re: Finding my Grandmothers Blood Family
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 09 January 22 22:07 GMT (UK) »
According to free index for 1921 census she was born Isle of Wight and I note from online trees that she was born 20/11/1914. 

Obviously, the surname she was born under is unknown, and probably christian name too ('Peggy' may have been given to her when they 'adopted' her).

But with birthplace and birthdate known perhaps a check at IOW register office would reveal how many girls born on that date which would narrow things down a little.

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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 09 January 22 22:14 GMT (UK) »
Would you know what age she was when adopted? 

Official adoptions began in 1926 I believe so any arrangements prior to that would have been informal adoptions either within or outside the family. 
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Re: Finding my Grandmothers Blood Family
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 09 January 22 22:16 GMT (UK) »
According to free index for 1921 census she was born Isle of Wight and I note from online trees that she was born 20/11/1914. 

Obviously, the surname she was born under is unknown, and probably christian name too ('Peggy' may have been given to her when they 'adopted' her).

But with birthplace and birthdate known perhaps a check at IOW register office would reveal how many girls born on that date which would narrow things down a little.

Annette

Thanks, Annette - I looked at the 1921 Census when it was released and was really excited to see IOW as the birthplace as that would really narrow down the search.  Unfortunately, it's an error and actually Isleworth!

Still, a possible clue but nothing I have found so far


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Re: Finding my Grandmothers Blood Family
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 09 January 22 22:19 GMT (UK) »
Would you know what age she was when adopted? 

Official adoptions began in 1926 I believe so any arrangements prior to that would have been informal adoptions either within or outside the family.

No, but as noted above she lived was shown as Peggy Richards with her adopted parents in the 1921 Census. Highly likely it was informal.

When I started this I thought it was likely that the adoption was inside the family, but DNA has seen that as very unlikely as I have zero matches with anyone on that side of the family

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 09 January 22 22:28 GMT (UK) »
In your searches, keep in mind that Peggy is sometimes/often a nick name for Margaret, though of course her birth may have been registered under a completely different forename.

I would suggest asking on the New Zealand board for help with the Clare family who emigrated to NZ. Provide a link to this thread for background info.

Best of luck with the search.  :)

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 09 January 22 22:37 GMT (UK) »
In your searches, keep in mind that Peggy is sometimes/often a nick name for Margaret, though of course her birth may have been registered under a completely different forename.

I would suggest asking on the New Zealand board for help with the Clare family who emigrated to NZ. Provide a link to this thread for background info.

Best of luck with the search.  :)

Peggy, Margret & Peg are always in my search patterns.  It's a strange first name for the era and has zero relevance to any other family members.  I like to think it was given by the birth parents and kept by the Richards, but could be wrong.

Thanks for the tip - will do add a New Zealand post now :)

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Re: Finding my Grandmothers Blood Family
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 09 January 22 23:35 GMT (UK) »
NZ births


Registration Number   Family Name   Given Name(s)   Mother's Given
Name(s)   Father's Given
Name(s)   Still Birth   
1868/29043   Clare   George   Charlotte Elizabeth   Henry
1870/31757   Clare   Harriet Sarah   Charlotte Elizabeth   Henry   
1872/714   Clare   James   Charlotte Elizabeth   Henry
1874/29437   Clare   Clara   Charlotte Elizabeth   Henry   
1876/3405   Clare   Ellen Emma   Charlotte Elizabeth   Henry
1878/14378   Clare   Francis   Charlotte Elizabeth   Henry   
1879/6960   Clare   Eliza   Charlotte Elizabeth   Henry   
1881/3983   Clare   Caroline Esther   Charlotte Elizabeth   Henry   
1882/3804   Clare   Edith Alice   Charlotte Elizabeth   Henry   
1884/20457   Clare   Charles   Charlotte Elizabeth   Henry
1886/18762   Clare   Florence   Charlotte Elizabeth   Henry

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?Path=%2FbirthSelect.m%3Fsort%3Dnatno#matches

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Re: Finding my Grandmothers Blood Family
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 09 January 22 23:36 GMT (UK) »
I am thinking 1915.
If the connection is real, then it is likely to be one of the boys in UK WW1

WW1 files are on archway.


https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/Home.do

Newspapers

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/