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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #45 on: Tuesday 11 January 22 04:03 GMT (UK) »
From the first marriage of her son Thomas in NY, his parents were Thomas and Ellen Schrows (which I knew spelling of Ellen’s last name was incorrect). Since there are no Shruhan on Griffiths Valuation, is the name last name Shruffin instead.

There was no right or wrong way to spell a surname. If someone couldn't write or spell s/he spoke the name to the person who was doing the writing. The scribe then wrote what he or she heard and if it was a name they weren't familiar with they spelled it however they decided it should be spelled. A priest might spell a baby's surname one way, a registrar might spell the same baby's name a different way. If a new priest arrived in a parish and baptised that baby's siblings, he might spell the surname a different way, especially if he wasn't local. Ditto mother's maiden surname. If the family moved to a different parish or a different district, priests and registrars there might have their own versions of how it should be spelled. e.g. Doherty, Dougherty, Docherty and Dockerty are all the same name. My Roscommon aunt's family were Mulvee/Mulvie/Mulvey &c.

Even when people could write, there were instances of surname variants within a family:
 A man went to register his brother's death. He spelled his brother's surname for the registrar. When information had been written down the man signed, spelling his surname differently to the way his brother's was spelled. When the registrar queried it the man said that his brother consistently spelled his name one way while he preferred a different spelling.
A household census return has a family surname spelled 2 ways. 1 person filled in some entries and another person then completed the form.

Another thing to keep in mind is that many surnames were originally Irish. The Irish alphabet has fewer than 26 letters. There are sounds that an English-speaking person may have had difficulty interpreting into writing.   
Some people altered their surnames to make them seem more/less Irish, depending on their situation or personal preference. For some it may have been to make them easier to spell.       
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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 11 January 22 04:31 GMT (UK) »
Interesting facts.

The Bridget Shruhan (father James Shruhan) mentioned on marriage record to John Hunt in 1865. Who is she, since the Bridget who died in 1908 says spinster. 

I found the Hunt family on 1901 Irish census Kilbride county.
John Hunt husband
Children Annie 28
Charles 26
John 24
Eliza 18


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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #47 on: Tuesday 11 January 22 04:36 GMT (UK) »
Whatever the Roscommon Messenger, it is a great source.

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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #48 on: Tuesday 11 January 22 08:07 GMT (UK) »

I found the Hunt family on 1901 Irish census Kilbride county.
John Hunt husband
Children Annie 28
Charles 26
John 24
Eliza 18


What you found was the 1901 census for a house 1 in Kinnitty (Kilbride South, Roscommon).

Here's the link-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Kilbride_South/Kinnitty/1668832/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003852941/

https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/ballintober-south/kilbride/kilbride-south/kinitty/

Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo


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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #49 on: Tuesday 11 January 22 08:32 GMT (UK) »
I don't think Bridget that married Hunt is related or at least not closely so would leave her off to the side for now unless someone can find marriage details from very bad image?

Last thing before bed I tried a different search and think I may have found lots more so back later  :D
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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #50 on: Tuesday 11 January 22 11:45 GMT (UK) »
Marriage of Thomas Nevin & Ellen Sruffin on 8 Mar.1859!
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633980#page/77/mode/1up (witnesses- Thomas Cooney?, Mary Sruffin)

Also found a daughter Mary J. Nevin!
c1886 to N.Y.? (see death record)
Marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24ST-BND (parents- Thomas Nevin & Ellen Struhan)
Death- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WXK-CG8 (Mary J. McCall, parents transcribed as Thomas Ninn & Ellen Scham, Shane Maternity Hospital. 12 hours at place of death, 18 years in NY, buried Calvary Cemetery)

Haven't found Mary J.'s birth yet but age on records seem unreliable. Next step is to find her in 1900 U.S. census and also trace Michael J. Nevin in U.S. records before death in 1933.
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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #51 on: Tuesday 11 January 22 18:37 GMT (UK) »
Interesting facts.

The Bridget Shruhan (father James Shruhan) mentioned on marriage record to John Hunt in 1865. Who is she, since the Bridget who died in 1908 says spinster. 

I found the Hunt family on 1901 Irish census Kilbride county.
John Hunt husband
Children Annie 28
Charles 26
John 24
Eliza 18

See reply#31
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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #52 on: Tuesday 11 January 22 19:06 GMT (UK) »
May have found another son Stephen J. Nevin 1900 US census Brooklyn, NY (my father settled in Brooklyn, I grew up in Brooklyn, NY). Sibling of my grandfather Thomas Nevin.

Stephen b. 12/1864
Ellen his wife, b. 12/1867, both in Ireland, their parents from Ireland.
With their children born in NY

Thomas 12
Mary 10
Stephen 8
James 6
Robert 3
Ellen 0


Death record of Stephen 8/16/1939 Holy Cross Cemetary mentions Thomas Nevin father and Ellen Sch...n as mother

Also, my Grandfather Thomas named his first born with Winifred Benson Stephen who died at birth.

Again, thanks for all the hard work

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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #53 on: Tuesday 11 January 22 21:26 GMT (UK) »
Brilliant find with Stephen which leads to 1892 N.Y. State Census- Stephen, wife 2 children and ... Ellen Nevins age 52 born Ireland!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6XY3-L55
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