Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors

[Formernewyorker]

Just found on family search. Mary Shruhan married to John Morris with following children:

Mary Ann b. 2/2/1868
Margaret b. 8/23/1869
Thomas b. 12/9/1871
Elizabeth b. 3/25/19881

Could this be another sister for Ellen?

[Formernewyorker]

This may be Mary Shruhan birth record.

Mariam Shruan b. 7/29/1841
Father Joannis Shruan Mother Elizabethae Scully

[Formernewyorker]

Date was her christening date.

[aghadowey]

Looks like you've been busy also 

I think Ellen Nevin was actually older than the records show- if son was born 1862 then she could certainly been born before 1840 (year John Struhan married Eliza Scully). When Ann married Michael Flynn in 1892 she gave her father as James and since Ellen Nevin seems to be her sister then Ellen's father also James.

The 1865 marriage for Bridget Shruhan is in the wrong area (which is good since we already have a Bridget- died 1908).
Below is a possible family tree-

James Shruhan (d.bef.1892)
1. John Shruhan (c1824-1885) m. Eliza Scully
     a. James Shruhan (c1840-1925)
     b. Mary Shruhan (c1841-1891) m. John Morris (c1824-1894 at Henry St.)
Bapt.- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGRL-2T5
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06070/4730954.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05965/4695644.pdf
          i. Joseph James Morris (1864 at Roscommon)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03614/2334002.pdf (Joseph, father- pensioner)
          ii. Mary Ann Morris (1868 at Henry St.-5 Mar.1936 N.Y.) m.(1895) Joseph Egan (c1873-Jan.1926 N.Y.), tailor
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03452/2267554.pdf (father- Staff Sgt.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10546/5841631.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Roscommon_Urban/Henry_Street/1670105/
Roscommon Messenger, 30 Oct.1909: … Joseph Egan, Church streel, was a tailor, and lived a very bad house. He had eight children. Some the rooms were very bad, especially the one over the archway. Burke- Who is your landlord.- John Kelly, Canamore. I pay …
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Roscommon_Urban/Church_Street__Ballypheasan_/783765/  (7 ch/6 liv.)
Roscommon Messenger, 20 Feb.1926: New York papers … announce the death, on 27th January, of Mr. Joseph Egan, formerly of Church-street, Roscommon. The funeral, which was attended by members of his family and other friends, took place on January 30th, after Solemn Requiem Mass, to Manhattan. The late Mr. Egan was well and popularly …
1930- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4PL-ZGB (Charles to US 1913; Mary A., John & Mary B. to US 1921; William to US 1916)
Death (Mary)- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WLM-NX2 (parents- John Morris & Mary Shruahan, buried Calvary Cem.)
               1. Evelyn Mary Egan (1896 at Henry St.-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02181/1825821.pdf (Evelyn Mary)
               2. Charles Egan (1897 at Henry St.-aft.1930)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02115/1804745.pdf
               3. William Francis Egan (1899 at Henry St.-aft.1930)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02017/1774308.pdf
               4. John Joseph Egan (1902 at Henry St.-aft.1930)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01920/1744247.pdf
               5. Christina Egan (1904 at Church St.-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01825/1713784.pdf
               6. Mary Bridget Egan (1908 at Church St.-aft.1930)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01622/1649904.pdf
          iii. Margaret Morris (1869 at Henry St.-1869?)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03382/2240219.pdf (father- military pensioner)
          iv. Thomas Morris (1871 at Henry St.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03272/2199220.pdf (father- military pensioner)
          v. Christopher Morris (1873 at Henry St.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03171/2163347.pdf (father- military pensioner)
          vi. James Morris (1876 at Henry St.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03042/2115634.pdf (father- military pensioner)
          vii. Elizabeth Morris (1881 at Henry St.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02839/2040758.pdf (father- military pensioner)
     c. John Shruhan (c1844)
Bapt.- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPB8-YVC
     d. William Shruhan (c1846)
Bapt.- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPB8-MJM
     e. Ellen Shruhan (c1846-aft.1911) m. Denis McDonnell
          i. John McDonnell (1876)
     f. Anne Shruhan (c1854-1875), teacher
2. William Shruhan (c1831-1897)
3. Bridget Shruhan (c1835-1908)
4. Anne Shruhan (c1834-1906) m.1 _ Madden; m.(1892) Michael Flynn
5. Ellen Shruhan (c1844?-1909) m. Thomas Nevin
     a. Thomas Nevin (c1862-1924)

Note: if above is correct then Thomas Nevin was nephew to Anne Flynn whereas John McDonnell was only great-nephew

[aghadowey]

Well, I was wrong about one thing- Ellen Nevin did spend time in America!
Roscommon Messenger, 26 June 1909: PENSION DISCONTINUED. The L G Board wrote in reference to the case of Ellen Nevin, Corbo, respect which an appeal was made by the pension officer, that they (L G Board) now determined that the above named Ellen Nevin, is not entitled to pension. This woman was receiving a pension since the start, but it was discovered she was not qualified on the grounds of residence, having spent a number of years in America. Chairman—What are you to do with this now? Clerk—The L G Board state she is not entitled to the pension. Father Donnellan—She has plenty of money any way. The L G Board have marked it disallowed, and we must disallow it. Chairman—lt seems the ...

Also think I may have found her son Thomas Nevin travelling to U.S. (not 1885 as in 1900 census but close)- 1887 a Thos. Nevin & Patk. Strahan to N.Y. on “City of Rome” https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-5R9W-6H

Remember much earlier (reply #4) 2 other possible sons (James & Michael) for Thomas Nevin & Ellen Shruhan were found as another James Nevin?
I think the 2 James Nevins are the same child & that Michael also is their child.
Michael Navin born 1869 Mount Prospect with parents Thomas Navin (shepherd) & Ellen Shruffin-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03407/2249591.pdf (informant- Mary Warde)
A James Navin born 15 July 1864 Gap- mother Strahun
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03604/2329504.pdf (father- herd, registered by father 31 July)
James Navin born 14 July 1864 Ballybride Roscommon with parents Thomas Nevin & Ellen Shruhan-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03604/2329510.pdf (father- labourer, registered by aunt M.A. Shruhan Roscommon 18 July)

[Maiden Stone]

Remember much earlier (reply #4) 2 other possible sons (James & Michael) for Thomas Nevin & Ellen Shruhan were found as another James Nevin?
I think the 2 James Nevins are the same child & that Michael also is their child.
Michael Navin born 1869 Mount Prospect with parents Thomas Navin (shepherd) & Ellen Shruffin-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03407/2249591.pdf (informant- Mary Warde)
A James Navin born 15 July 1864 Gap- mother Strahun
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03604/2329504.pdf (father- herd, registered by father 31 July)
James Navin born 14 July 1864 Ballybride Roscommon with parents Thomas Nevin & Ellen Shruhan-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03604/2329510.pdf (father- labourer, registered by aunt M.A. Shruhan Roscommon 18 July)

I found Michael's baptism but couldn't find one for a James (Reply #12).

A family who were friends of my GF's family in Mayo registered 1 baby twice, several months apart, in 2 different calendar years. Mother registered him a few weeks after birth, dad registered him when he was about 4 months old, selecting a convenient date of birth.

Herds and labourers may have moved around for work. Some shepherding jobs were short-term or seasonal. (A member of my family was a shepherd in 20th century.)

I may have posted these surname variants before:
Griffiths' Valuation: SHRUFFIN (Roscommon); SRUFFANE (Waterford)
GRO birth registrations: SRIFFANE
Source John Grenham Irish Wizard.

[Maiden Stone]

Michael Navin born 1869 Mount Prospect with parents Thomas Navin (shepherd) & Ellen Shruffin-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03407/2249591.pdf (informant- Mary Warde)
A James Navin born 15 July 1864 Gap- mother Strahun
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03604/2329504.pdf (father- herd, registered by father 31 July)
James Navin born 14 July 1864 Ballybride Roscommon with parents Thomas Nevin & Ellen Shruhan-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03604/2329510.pdf (father- labourer, registered by aunt M.A. Shruhan Roscommon 18 July)

Mountprospect townland, Ardcarn civil parish
I couldn't find Gap townland. Possibly Crowsgap, Kilmeane civil parish. Unless Gap is part of another townland.
Ballybride townland, Roscommon civil parish. The townland is in 2 parts, a big part and a tiny part, beside Roscommon town. There is something written under Ballybride on the birth registration.
If those birth registrations are for the same James, perhaps Thomas changed jobs and moved in between the birth and the end of the July when Thomas registered the birth. It was the first year of birth registrations - people may have been a bit vague about information. Thomas may have been working away at the time of the birth- it was haymaking time. 

[Formernewyorker]

This is a lot to digest and very much appreciated. So if I am understanding,
James Shruhan was Ellen Nevin’s father. I got the 1844 birth from her estimated age at death in 1909.

Her siblings are John married to Eliza, James, Anne married to Michael Flynn, Bridget (unmarried) and Mary married to Morris.  It that correct.

Since there is no record of birth of my great grandfather Thomas there is no way to know who is parents are. But through all your hard work some of the missing pieces of Ellen have been found. From the first marriage of her son Thomas in NY, his parents were Thomas and Ellen Schrows (which I knew spelling of Ellen’s last name was incorrect). Since there are no Shruhan on Griffiths Valuation, is the name last name Shruffin instead.

[Formernewyorker]

Makes sense that Thomas and Ellen’s (my great grandparents) sons are Thomas, Michael and James because those are the names passed down in generations.

My grandfather Thomas had Thomas, James, my father Michael John Nevin,
daughters Ann, Ellen, Mary and Winnie.

My brothers are a James, Michael, and Thomas, i am Mary and my sister was supposed to be named after my father’s sister Ellen (Helen) but my mother wanted to name one baby so my sister is Barbara Helen. Cousins are Thomas, Steven, Michael, Thomas and Malachy, Ann on my father’s side from his brothers and sisters.

The first born niece is Michelle, my brother Michael named his first born son Michael and my youngest brother named his first born son Thomas.

I did find a Michael J. Nevin’s death record 4/1/1933,  buried in Calvary Cemetary in Bronx, NY. Birth date 1871 showing parents Thomas Nevin and Ellen Sruhen.