Charlotte Annie Roach 1856 - 24 July 1944

[dhelensmith]

Hello I hope you can help me.
I have been contacted by the great grand daughter of Charlotte who cannot work out who Charlotte's parents are. Charlotte married first William Edward Ware in 1875 saying  her father was Edward and then again she married Edward Burr in Adelaide in 1928, giving her father as John. DNA seems to connect her to either of 2 brothers John Long Roach or James Webb Roach, both of Bristol and both 1st cousins several times removed of mine. James Webb 's son James (1807 - 1883) certainly came to Australia, in 1849 aboard the barque "Mary Ann", sailing from Bristol to Port Adelaide via Plymouth. He and his wife Mary Ann Exell married in Bristol in 1824 had several children, one of whom was called Charlotte (1843 - 1936). There was an earlier child Edwin Richard (1827-1908) who features in the Police Gazette in 1889 in Ballarat and was convicted and imprisoned for 6 months. I have not been able to find a marriage for him. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance for any help at all
Helen

[Neale1961]

Are you able to give more information.
Where was the first marriage? What are the complete and full details written on that marriage record?
Where was Charlotte born?
Details of children from the first marriage?

[wivenhoe]

These are the two marriages? 

You are researching the origins of Charlotte Annie ROACH?

https://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-database-search

WARE   William Edw  marr.   Anne         @     Adelaide    102/938   1875

BURR   Edward      marr.     Charlotte Annie     @   Adelaide   314/10   1928

Marriage 1875....what church?....... and what names for witnesses please?

[wivenhoe]

The Advertiser 9 Jul 1936 p16
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/74330377?
BURR - On the 8th July (suddenly) at 28 Gordon street. Semaphore Park, Edward BURR,
dearly beloved husband of Charlotte Annie BURR, and loving father of Frederick, Sydney,
Violet, Olive, Elsie. Ruby, and Thelma. In his 76th year. Resting.

The Advertiser 26 Jul 1944 p10
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/43213631?
BURR.—The friends of the late Mrs Charlotte Annie Burr (formerly Mrs WARE) are respectfully informed that  her funeral will leave the Funeral Parlors. 173 Port road. Alberton on Wednesday, at 3 p.m..for the Cheltenham Cemetery.

[dhelensmith]

Thanks for your help so far.
As I said I'm looking at this for a contact who is descended from Charlotte Annie. My information is from other ancestry trees, none of which seem to know who her father was, most agree his name was "John".
First marriage 15 March 1875 at St Patrick's Adelaide.
2nd marriage 3 January 1928 in Adelaide. Nothing else given on any of the trees I've seen. Buried in Cheltenham Cemetery 26 July 1944. Her year of birth is from her gravestone. Place of birth is given as Bendigo, but I've seen no support for this.
They seem to have had 12 children:Mary Frances 1875-1900; Lucy Matilda 1876-1915; Rose Florence 1879-1939; William Edward 1881-1881; Alfred Ernest Alexander 1882-1883; Leonard Clarence 1884-1884; Oliver Erskine 1890-1969; Ethel Phillipa 1892-1916; Ivy Gladys 1895-1983;Harold Frank Avondale 1897-1970.
Thanks again
Helen

[wivenhoe]

"Nothing else given on any of the trees I've seen."

You need to see the first marriage certificate. BDM certificates, South Australia, do not have as much information recorded as you find in some other states.

You need to see names of witnesses, any addresses or locations or occupations recorded on the marriage certificate.

Otherwise all you will have is what you see on Ancestry trees....work submitted, and copied, by other researchers.

[fsavage08]

Hi all I am the descendant of Charlotte Annie Roach. I have looked at all records from her-thoroughly- She was born in Bendigo c1856-1868-(c1857).....from her death cert 1944 aged 88-in woodville adelaide- buried cheltenham- its just her parenbts as she doesnt appear in the regs..... (goldrush) - and adelaide hospital admissions.....Using dna I have narrowed down the family- but cant find the father- could it be an illigit daughter of one of the  Roach in this family?

[Dundee]

James Webb 's son James (1807 - 1883) certainly came to Australia, in 1849 aboard the barque "Mary Ann", sailing from Bristol to Port Adelaide via Plymouth. He and his wife Mary Ann Exell married in Bristol in 1824 had several children, one of whom was called Charlotte (1843 - 1936). There was an earlier child Edwin Richard (1827-1908)

Is it correct that James and Mary Ann arrived with children Charlotte (6) and James Henry (9) as well as Edwin (Edward) and George who were in their early 20's?

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/195937449

Who were the witnesses when Charlotte married to William WARE?

Debra 

[seeking0]

Here's a lead. No guarantees. 

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-page8444365
WALSH.— On the 2nd November, at the residence of her granddaughter, Hindmarsh, Catherine Walsh, aged 85 years. Arrived in ship Mary Ann. 1849.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207756224
THE FRIENDS of Mrs CATHERINE WALSH, late of California-street, Adelaide, are respectfully Informed that her Remains will be removed from her granddaughter's (Mrs. WilliamWare, jun ) residence, Osmond-street, Hindmarsh, TOMORROW, at 3.30 pm, for interment in the West-terrace Catholic Cemetery.

Associated conjecture (see opening sentence) follows.
Since the granddaughter's husband was William Ware junior, his father was also William Ware. This is consistent with her husband being William Edward Ware, and hence the grand-daughter being Charlotte Annie.

https://bound-for-south-australia.collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/1849MaryAnn.htm
At her death Catherine Walsh was the widow of Peter Walsh. They are presumably "WELSH, Peter and wife and 4 children". Both a James Roach AND an Edward Roach are also listed as passengers.
It was pretty common for immigrant ship passengers and/or their close relatives to marry after arrival.

If Charlotte Annie Roach was the grand-daughter of Peter and Catherine Walsh then her mother must have been a Walsh.

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Note 15 Jan (South Australia) - I corrected "James Webb Roach" to "James Roach"