Buckinghamshire Bastardy Bonds / 1924 ? /

[TravelDog]

Happy New Year … I hope you are all safe & well in such uncertain times.

Would there be Buckinghamshire or Northamptonshire Bastardy Bonds or other record for a child born in 1924?

I know the mothers birth name & child’s birth name & adopted name - but not the fathers name.

Any ideas welcome.   

Ancestry DNA is showing connections to Newton Blossomville, and surrounding villages.

[CaroleW]

Bastardy Bonds had long stopped by then.  If the child was placed with the adoptive parents as a baby there would be no maintenance order

[TravelDog]

Bastardy Bonds had long stopped by then.  If the child was placed with the adoptive parents as a baby there would be no maintenance order

Thank you - I thought this would be the case, but I wanted to make sure.

[TravelDog]

An update …

I have found through Ancestry DNA that my 98 year old fathers Great Grandfather was almost certainly 

Sidney Young
Born - 1836 in Grovely Wood, Wiltshire England

Died - 1893 Danesfield, Medmenham,, Buckinghamshire, England

In the 1861 Census, Sidney Young, age 25, is recorded as a Gamekeeper lodging with Mr & Mrs Joel & Herodias Woods and family of Newton Blosomville, Buckinghamshire.

From Ancestry DNA I suspect Sidney Young must have fathered a child around 1862 in or around Newton Blossomville possibly with Herodias Woods -

And intriguingly after 1861 Joel & Herodias Woods are living at different locations on the Census data.

Questions

- would there be Bastardly Bonds from circa 1862 ?


I’ve searched British Newspaper Archives - and found a few mentions but nothing important

- Is there anywhere else I could look for more info on Sidney Young - I have the Ancestry info

I can’t find Sidney Youngs probate or Will online.

And I don’t know where he is buried either.

Any suggestions welcome.

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Edit: changed spelling of name to correct my dyslexia - Sidney Young

[CaroleW]

Herodias is shown as Rhoda in 1861 - Herodias Jolley married Joel Woods 1846

Sidney (not Sydney)  is shown as b South Newton Wiltshire

Who is “the child” you believe he fathered?  Is it the William John aged 9 with Herodias & other siblings?

Do you know for certain that your William was b Bucks 1862?

Have you purchased his birth cert to establish if Joel is shown as his father & also to establish his exact birthdate

Herodias died in 1880 as Rhoda Woods

[CaroleW]

In 1871 Sidney Young b 1835 Grosley Wiltshire occ gamekeeper is living in Great Marlow with wife Jane & 3 children.  Still in Bucks in 1881 & 1891 & consistently spelt Sidney not Sydney

Sidney Married Jane Case June qtr 1862 in Wiltshire.  William John Woods was b March qtr 1862 Bucks

[TravelDog]

Thank you -

Yes I think

William John Woods born 1862 Bucks is the son of Sidney and Herodias (Rhoda).

But … William John Woods birth certificate shows Joel Woods as the father.

I am swayed further in my idea because my fathers DNA connects somehow to Finch & Ruffhead & Ross families

William John Woods marries Elizabeth Rebecca Finch born Sep 1865 in Newton Blossomville, Buckinghamshire

She is descended from Finch, Ruffhead & a generation higher Ross.

It’s either of their two sons who could be my fathers birth father.

[CaroleW]

If Joel is shown as the father then there will not be any bastardy order.

It’s very difficult to help without names etc.  One of the 2 sons you mentioned never married.  Melbourne Victor John Woods b 1887 Northamptonshire died 3.6.1967 Northants.  He left a will - have you already downloaded a copy?

Cyril Woods b 1893 married Edith Thompson 1931 Northants & died 1946 Northants.  No children

As your father is still alive - his details cannot be given here but we really need details of his paternal grandfather - birthyear/birthplace etc

[TravelDog]

Thank you again.

I see what you mean about the Bastardly Order - there won’t be one in this case - if my hypothesis about Sidney Young & Herodias Woods is correct.

The children of William Woods are Cyril Woods, Melbourne Woods & Florence Woods - I have their Wills but nothing of interest is mentioned.

I have found the boys were Conscientious Objectors - & worked in the leather trade but not much more.

Yes I agree -  Melbourne Victor Woods did not marry.

Cyril Woods married & had no children.

Florence did marry & had children - DNA of a descendant might be my only hope of ruling my theory in or out.

Unfortunately, we don’t know who my Dads father was or his grandfather - my hypothesis is William Woods son of Sidney Young & Herodias Woods.

We know who my Dads birth mother is but not his birth father - it’s marked as Unknown - born in Northampton Workhouse.

My Dads birth mother had 5 children - with multiple fathers from what I have discovered.


Using Ancestry DNA with my fathers DNA - I am fairly certain that Sidney Young must be my fathers Great Grandfather.

Sidney Young must have had a child with someone other than his wife (who is also from Wiltshire) who my Dad is descended from.

We have lots of DNA links to descendants of Sidney Young & also people from Newton Blossomville - Finch, Ruffhead, Ross etc