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Re: Anne Sharp of Drigg Cross, Holmrook
« Reply #18 on: Monday 03 January 22 03:04 GMT (UK) »
Ann SHARP marries William STEELE in 1876. they have the following children:
1877  Jane Ann  (Bootle)
?1879  Frederick William (Carlisle) - not sure about this one
1881  Margaret Elizabeth  (Bootle)


In 1881 at Drigg Cross:
Thomas SHARP     66   mason
Ann STEELE   (dau)  28
John SHARP              26  mason
Isaac                          23
James                        19
Jane Ann STEELE (gr dau)  3

The preceding family at Burnt Moor is:
William STEELE     59   farmer of 20 acres
Tamar  (wife)           64
William (unmar)       23  (definitely says "unmarried", so perhaps not the William that Ann SHARP married)
Hannah                   27
Jane                        26
John FLETCHER (?) 17  farm servant
RG11/5195 pg12


In 1891 at no1 Church St Egremont (grocers shop) (all born Drigg):
William STEELE   42    shopkeeper grocer
Ann                       37
Jane A                  13
Margaret               9
RG12/4319/39 pg 17

In 1901 at same address as above,  now called Post Office:
William STEELE     52   grocer, post master
Ann                         46
Jane                        23
Margaret                 19
RG13/4896 pg39

In 1911 at same address:
William STEELE    60   grocer
Ann                        55
Jean                      29
Maggie                  25

This says they have had only 2 children, so the Frederick born Carlisle above definitely not theirs.

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Re: Anne Sharp of Drigg Cross, Holmrook
« Reply #19 on: Monday 03 January 22 03:43 GMT (UK) »
William STEELE of 1 Church St, Moor Row died 29 May 1912,   probate to Jane Ann STEELE £200 5s.

Ann STEELE of the Post Office, Moor Row, Cumberland died 9 June 1924. Probate to Jane Ann STEELE £1123 17s. 7d.


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Re: Anne Sharp of Drigg Cross, Holmrook
« Reply #20 on: Monday 03 January 22 15:15 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps I'm missing the obvious as far as the maps are concerned, it certainly wouldn't surprise me!

I think your persistance, despite me moving the goalposts as I looked into the history of the binding itself, has won through. Unlike the others, Ann(e), daughter of Thomas, ticks every single box.

The binding with the coloured endpapers and machine made headbands certainly fits the 1860/70s very well and the location is right. As for the long s, it continued in handwriting long after it stopped being used in printing; according to Wikipedia it continued to be used in handwriting into the mid 1800s and it gives examples of it still being used in the 1880s. Schooling wasn't compulsory at that time, and if girls were being taught to write by mothers and grandmothers it's easy to see how it could have been passed on. Interestingly she hasn't used the long s for Drigg Cross.

How nice that Ann(e) seems to have ended up comfortably off. I'll make a copy of what you've discovered, that I can put inside the book.

Edited to add that I've now turned up a William Steel aged 13 on the 1861 census. Living at Hagget End, Egremont with his mother aged 35 and two sisters Jane aged 14 and Margaret 4. Occupation farmer's son. His father, Joseph, who only appears on the 1851 census is listed on that as an Iron Miner, born in Drigg.

Edited again to add that it looks as though Hannah, the sister of Thomas, may have married a John Steel, born in Scotland and a Railway Labourer. The 1851 census shows their son William aged 3 was born at Drigg, there's also a daughter Elizabeth Sharp aged 5 and Ann aged under a year.

Seems like there's more than one William Steel(e)s with a Drigg connection born around the same time! I can't find any further trace of these two beyond 1861.
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Re: Anne Sharp of Drigg Cross, Holmrook
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 04 January 22 03:10 GMT (UK) »
So glad the history of the book is looking better.  :)

Hannah and John STEELE are in Muncaster in 1871, next to the Bayhorse Inn:

John STEELE    52    ag lab  (Scotland)
Hannah              52
Sarah                 10
Elizabeth SHARP (niece)  8
RG10/5265/ pg15

and widowed Hannah is at the same address in 1881 in Muncaster:
Hannah STEELE  60  charwoman
RG11/5195 pg14

and still there in 1891:
Hannah STEELE   71  charwoman
RG12/4320 pg14

Looks like her death in 1898, aged 78 registered at Bootle

For interest, I also found this picture of the SHARP family grave stone, it crops the bottom though I couldn't find a photo of the whole stone.


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Re: Anne Sharp of Drigg Cross, Holmrook
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 04 January 22 14:24 GMT (UK) »
You really are very kind. Thank you.

Have you been able to turn up anything more than I could about the William Steel whose father, Joseph, born in Drigg, was an iron miner in 1851, but then subsequently a farmer living at Haggett End? He must be a different William from the one you think married Ann.

I've also been having a quick scout around today and have discovered yet another William Steel on the 1861 census, also living at Haggett End. Parents are William, another farmer and Jane.

Who would think there were so many William Steels born in the same area at the same time?! That said the evidence we have certainly makes the William you found the most likely.
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Re: Anne Sharp of Drigg Cross, Holmrook
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 05 January 22 04:37 GMT (UK) »
I haven't been able to find the marriage details online for William STEELE and Ann SHARP. The only way to be sure of William's father's name is probably to purchase the marriage certificate - the marriage was registered at Bootle in Dec quarter 1876 (10b/1029).

If as seems likely he is the child of Joseph and Ann, these are the census details I have found for them:

1851 at Egremont:
Joseph STEELE   32   iron miner, Drigg
Ann                       24   Egremont
Jane                       4
William                   2
Joseph GRAHAM  26  iron miner, lodger, Beckermet
Jonathan LUCAS   24  thinner (?), Egremont
Ann                         26  Abbey Holme
HO107/2437 pg 83

In 1861 at Watson Hill Farm, Egremont
Joseph STEELE     42    farmer of 57 acres, Drigg
Ann                         35    farmer's wife   Egremont
Jane                        14
William                     13
Margaret                  4
John BENSON        17  servant , Muncaster
RG9/3952/44 pg 34 &35

In 1871 at Woodside, Waberthwaite:
Joseph STEELE    51   farmer of 81 acres, Drigg
Ann                        45   farmer's wife, Egremont
Jane                       24
William                   22
Joseph                    7  Waberthwaite
John WALKER       18  Farm servant, indoor
RG10/5265/66 pg 7

In 1881 at Woodside, Waberthwaite:
Joseph STEEL     62   farmer of 87 acres, Drigg
Ann                      55   farmer's wife, Egremont
Jane                     34  dairy maid
Joseph                  17  husbandman, Waberthwaite
William WOODWARD (father-in-law)  79  formerly iron miner  Ulverston, Lancs
James NEWBY     24  servant  Cleator
RG11/5195/73 pg7

I suspect this is Joseph's death registered at Bootle Dec qtr 1887 (10/427)






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Re: Anne Sharp of Drigg Cross, Holmrook
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 05 January 22 05:06 GMT (UK) »
I can't readily find son Joseph in 1891, but he is in the 1901 at Barrow, Lancahsire, single, railway plate layer; and in 1911 at Walton le Dale, Lancashire, waterman at the Manchest Water Works.

Possible death for Ann STEELE registered at Bootle Sep qtr 1885 (10b/382).

Joseph STEELE and Ann WOODWARD married Dec qtr 1845 registered at Whitehaven (25/177). They had the following children:
1846  Jane  (Whitehaven)
1848  William  (Whitehaven)
1856  Margaret  (Whitehaven)
1863  Joseph  (Bootle)

I can't see any other births to this couple, though there are large gaps between children.

A possible baptism for Joseph (snr): 2 Aug 1818 at Drigg, parents: William and Jane. I can't readily see a baptism for Ann WOODWARD c1826.

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Re: Anne Sharp of Drigg Cross, Holmrook
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 05 January 22 05:12 GMT (UK) »
i know you're having trouble with the maps.  ;) However, Watson Hill farm shows on this map (just below the "E" in the large "EGREMONT")
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102340902

And Woodside, Waberthwaite is just to the left of CORNEY (bottom right hand side)
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102340902

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Re: Anne Sharp of Drigg Cross, Holmrook
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 05 January 22 05:40 GMT (UK) »
Interestingly, the family of the "other" William STEELE you found are next door to Watson Hill Farm at Whangs Farm in 1861: (I think this is one's you mean? Or is it yet another?)

William STEEL        50   farmer of 43 acres  Arlecdon
Jane                        45  Seaton
Ann Mc CONKY    23 (dau, married) Cleator
Hannah STEEL    19 Cleator
William                     16  Cleator
Sarah Jane         12  St Bees
Elizabeth             10  St Bees
Allce                    8    St Bees
Mary                     6    St Bees
Eleanor              3    Egremont
Robert Mc CONKY    24 (son-in-law)
Joseway DONELSON    24
John GLENDENDIN    73  (father-in-law, Ireland)

I think I can see this William in later censuses not with Ann SHARP.