Edgar Spooner King - just some questions

[rosie99]

You are right to doubt the information on a marriage certificate as no proof would have been needed. My gt grandfather who was illegitimate 'invented' his father on his marriage but I did have his baptism so knew it was wrong.  I would not rule out the name Michael though without further research.

Edgar was constant with the name Michael though he only mentioned 'Michael Thomas Spooner' once.  I would be concentrating on looking for any baptisms of an Edgar in the time/place we have, it is possible he was born to a single mother who later married a Spooner. 

[jonwarrn]

Rough settlement exam for Edgar Spooner, 6 Nov 1847, Islington
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1557/images/32966_625537_0384-00205

[jonwarrn]

how can we be sure Michael Spooner is his father?

There is a note in the 1847 settlement exam
Father at Talbot Ct Eastcheap

This could be Edgar's father in the 1851 Census (HO 107/1531; Folio 91; Page 42)

4 Talbot Court, St Andrew Hubbard, City of London
Michael Spooner; Head; Unmarried; age 63;  Tailor; born Essex, Colchester

Is a half brother mentioned as well?

[jonwarrn]

There are quite a few old threads on here about Edgar Spooner / King / Michael Spooner

Baptism lookup request - Edgar Spooner
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=672872.0

Michael Spooner, born circa 1787
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=743750.0

Baptism of Edgar Spooner, circa 1815
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744901.0

Thomas Joseph King Spooner
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802997.0

[AllanUK]

Rough settlement exam for Edgar Spooner, 6 Nov 1847, Islington
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1557/images/32966_625537_0384-00205

Well found -- I failed to find this when I was searching the other day. Entry in margin about his father ties in with the 1851 Census.

[AllanUK]

Is a half brother mentioned as well?

1851 Census for Michael Spooner records that he was by himself.

[AllanUK]

Just to add a little bit of humour to this thread, when I found the newspaper article from 1860 I chuckled when I read the advert immediately above it. It reads:

Marriage

A Gentleman wishes to meet with a Respectable Young Woman who has Lost a Leg - Address to Mr James, Post Office, Finsbury Pavement.

I wonder if she ever found her leg.

[majm]

I dont know if she found her leg,  but ...

I wonder if she was ...

A Miss Peggy Legge.... 

JM in NSW Australia  sharing my husband's comment after I read AllanUK's fantastic newspaper cutting. 

[cuffie81]

Thank you for the 1861 information, I wonder where his children were?

I take it you're asking about Edgar's children in 1861? If so...

Possible deaths of children from 1st and 2nd marriages:

GRO references:
1841 Q3 Death - Louisa Mary King Spooner; age 0 (born c1841); Holborn; 02; 84
1848 Q1 Death - Phillis Spooner; age 4 (born c1844); Croydon; 04; 95

1850 Q2 Death - Edgar Spooner; age 0 (born c1850); Islington; 03; 175
1852 Q2 Death - Matthew Abraham Spooner; age 0 (born c1852); Islington; 01B; 140
1862 Q3 Death - Elizabeth Spooner; age 3 (born c1859); St James's Westminster; 01A; 246


Possible 1861 census records for Edgar's other surviving children:

1861 Hornsey Road, Neville Terrace, Islington
Mary Spooner; servant; aged 18; born c1843 Westminster
Ref RG09; Piece 151; Folio 20; Page 44; Schedule 213

1861 Workhouse, St Leonard, Shoreditch
Elizabeth Spooner; aged 2; born c1859; deserted
Ref RG09; Piece 247; Folio 170; Page 24; Schedule 7

1861 Shoreditch Industrial School, Billericay, Essex
Frank Spooner; aged 7; born c1854 Shoreditch
Thomas Spooner; aged 4; born c1857 Shoreditch
Ref RG09; Piece 1075; Folio 170; Page 10; Schedule 14

I'm assuming Frank is Francis.