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Re: Edgar Spooner King - just some questions
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 15 December 21 13:40 GMT (UK) »
SPOONER, JOHN       ESCOTT
GRO Reference: 1861  Mar Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY  Volume 01D  Page 4


The 1861 Census shows that he was in the work house by himself:

John Spoohan, age 3/12, born: Southwark in the House, civil parish Southwark Christchurch

Beat me to posting that  :).   The entry has 'Deserted'
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Re: Edgar Spooner King - just some questions
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 15 December 21 13:53 GMT (UK) »
Shoreditch Observer 28 April 1860

Notice
Elizabeth Escott Spooner, wife of Edgar Spooner, having absconded (3rd time) 9th day of April, 1860, from her 3 children (under 6 years of age), her husband, residing 21 Rose Street, William Street, Curtain Road, hereby gives notice that he will not be answerable for any debts she may contract.

Signed: Edgar Spooner
Witness: Mary Spooner
April 23, 1860

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Re: Edgar Spooner King - just some questions
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 15 December 21 13:56 GMT (UK) »
Shoreditch Observer 31 March 1860

Notice
Elizabeth Escott Spooner, wife of Edgar Spooner, having absconded (2nd time) 9th day of January, 1860, from her 3 children (under 6 years of age), her husband, residing 12 New Norfolk Street, Curtain Road, hereby gives notice that he will not be answerable for any debts she may contract.

Signed: Edgar Spooner
Witness: Joseph Smith
March 7, 1860

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Re: Edgar Spooner King - just some questions
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 15 December 21 14:00 GMT (UK) »
So who was the father of young John born 1861  :o
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Re: Edgar Spooner King - just some questions
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 15 December 21 14:02 GMT (UK) »
So who was the father of young John born 1861  :o

 Not Edgar  :-\

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Re: Edgar Spooner King - just some questions
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 15 December 21 14:13 GMT (UK) »
In 1841 Edgar was with wife Jeanette and daughter Louisa.  Edgars age given as 24
H0107/670 /9 folio 10 page 12. 

He seems to have been in the workhouse a few times prior to 1861.
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Re: Edgar Spooner King - just some questions
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 15 December 21 14:33 GMT (UK) »
Can't say why Edgar Spooner became Edgar Spooner King (perhaps to 'escape' wife number 2, Elizabeth Escott, but I can say that a daughter of his first marriage to Jannot SAUNDERS was as follows:-

First name(s):-  Louisa Mary KING
Last name:- Spooner
District Holborn
Volume 2
Page 121
Birth year 1841
Birth quarter 2
Mother's maiden name:-  SAUNDERS

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Re: Edgar Spooner King - just some questions
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 15 December 21 14:52 GMT (UK) »
This could be Edgar's father in the 1851 Census (HO 107/1531; Folio 91; Page 42)

4 Talbot Court, St Andrew Hubbard, City of London
Michael Spooner; Head; Unmarried; age 63;  Tailor; born Essex, Colchester

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Baptism for Edgar's father ?

Michael Thomas Spooner, baptised 11 November 1785, Colchester. Father - Joseph Spooner; Mother - Mary (nee Knopp)

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Re: Edgar Spooner King - just some questions
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 15 December 21 21:52 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much for the replies, I had found the marriages and  the census plus the one for Michael Spooner in 1851.

Thank you for the 1861 information, I wonder where his children were?

 I was just querying, if this is really his father, can we be sure it's him without a baptism/birth.
I only question what Edgar said in his marriages as to who his father was.
I have seen blatant lies written on other marriage licenses,

Example - my partners tree I was looking at, his great grandmother's marriage, she has stated her deceased father was a solicitor- in fact through the census he was a clerk. She also lied about where she was born.

Also with another in his tree -(could not find a birth for him) on a marriage was stated a certain father with the correct profession,
After quite a bit of searching for this father, (yes, there were a few with the correct name), I came across a Poor Law settlement and a removal order (for the son without a baptism), the mother with the correct surname and three correct children, and the removal order stating the eldest son (the one I was tracing) was illegitimate.
Looking for this mother and children I found her in the next census married to someone else with two new children and the three boys. The new husband had the occupation that the son I was looking at had taken up.
So I tend to be a little on the skeptical side if there is only one person telling the story - so to speak.