Thank you so much for the replies, I had found the marriages and the census plus the one for Michael Spooner in 1851.
Thank you for the 1861 information, I wonder where his children were?
I was just querying, if this is really his father, can we be sure it's him without a baptism/birth.
I only question what Edgar said in his marriages as to who his father was.
I have seen blatant lies written on other marriage licenses,
Example - my partners tree I was looking at, his great grandmother's marriage, she has stated her deceased father was a solicitor- in fact through the census he was a clerk. She also lied about where she was born.
Also with another in his tree -(could not find a birth for him) on a marriage was stated a certain father with the correct profession,
After quite a bit of searching for this father, (yes, there were a few with the correct name), I came across a Poor Law settlement and a removal order (for the son without a baptism), the mother with the correct surname and three correct children, and the removal order stating the eldest son (the one I was tracing) was illegitimate.
Looking for this mother and children I found her in the next census married to someone else with two new children and the three boys. The new husband had the occupation that the son I was looking at had taken up.
So I tend to be a little on the skeptical side if there is only one person telling the story - so to speak.