Edgar Spooner King - just some questions

[Bluetaffeta]

Hello, just wondering if anyone that is/has researched Edgar Spooner King could help/answer some questions.
I'm new to this so I might not ask in the correct way, so please forgive me.
I am descended from Edgar's youngest son, John King (my great grandfather).
No one in my side had any idea about the Spooner name, all a bit of a shock.
Anyway to my questions

1. Does anyone have any information about how many times/years Edgar and his family/ies spent in Liverpool Road Workhouse, Islington?

2. Has an 1861 census turned up anywhere?

3. Has Edgar's birth/baptism been found? If not how can we be sure Michael Spooner is his father?
I only question this because Michael was not a witness at any of Edgar's marriages, and there is no other evidence to tie their names together.
And I have found looking at someone else tree the absent or deceased father on the marriage might not actually be the father.
He could have been illegitimate and Michael Spooner could have just been his teacher.

Thanks for your help

[michaelcharles]

Marriage of Edgar Spooner King (Widower) to Elizabeth Janette Morgan on July 12, 1863 has Edgar's father as Michael Thomas King, a tailor as was Edgar. Address given as South Hackney.

[rosie99]

Welcome to rootschat

2. Has an 1861 census turned up anywhere?

There are quite a few areas 'missing' from the 1861 census - Islington is mentioned on the list

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01r45/

[AllanUK]

Marriage of Edgar Spooner King (Widower) to Elizabeth Janette Morgan on July 12, 1863 has Edgar's father as Michael Thomas King, a tailor as was Edgar. Address given as South Hackney.

Something to consider perhaps?

Edgar Spooner married Jannot Saunders, marriage registered September quarter 1840, Bloomsbury District, Volume 1, Page 78

June 11th 1849, St John's Church, Clerkenwell
Edgar Spooner, Full Age, Widower, a Tailor, of Brewer Street, father Michael Spooner, a Tailor
married
Elizabeth Escott, 20 years, Spinster, of Brewer Street, father Thomas Escott, a Shoemaker
Witnesses: Thomas Escott and Elizabeth Escott

July 12th 1863, St John of Jerusalem Church, South Hackney
Edgar Spooner King, Full Age, Widower, a Tailor, of South Hackney, father Michael Thomas King, a Tailor
married
Eliza Janette Morgan, Full Age, Spinster, of South Hackney, father George Morgan, a Glass Cutter
Witnesses: Rollason(?) Morgan and Magdalene Morgan

To confirm the 1840 marriage is Edgar Spooner King, the certificate is needed to see the name of his father.

Just found the marriage certificate for the 1840 marriage :

27th July 1840, St George's Church, Bloomsbury
Edgar Spooner, Full Age, Bachelor, a Tailor, of 24 New North Street, father Michael Spooner, a Tailor
married
Jannot Saunders, a Minor, Spinster, of 24 New North Street, father James Saunders, a Tailor

[CaroleW]

1851 census has Edgar Spooner 38 occ tailor b City of London - wife Elizabeth
1871 has Edgar King 58 occ tailor b City of London - wife Eliza

[rosie99]

Something to consider perhaps?

Edgar Spooner married Jannot Saunders, marriage registered September quarter 1840, Bloomsbury District, Volume 1, Page 78

That marriage has Edgar as a Bachelor - father Michael Spooner - both have the occupation Tailor

Sorry Allan for duplicating, I see you have added the information to the end of your post

[CaroleW]

Marriage St John Clerkenwell 11.6.1849

Edgar Spooner widower full age occ tailor x father Michael occ tailor
Elizabeth Escott 20 spinster father Thomas x shoe maker

Witnesses Thomas & Elizabeth Escott

[rosie99]

SPOONER, EDGAR -      ESCOTT 
GRO Reference: 1850  June Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT  Volume 03  Page 293

SPOONER, MATTHEW  ABRAHAM  -   ESCOTT 
GRO Reference: 1851  Sep Quarter in ST JAMES CLERKENWELL  Volume 03  Page 138


SPOONER, FRANCIS    -   ESCOTT 
GRO Reference: 1854  Dec Quarter in CLERKENWELL  Volume 01B  Page 463

SPOONER, THOMAS  ESCOTT     ESCOTT 
GRO Reference: 1857  June Quarter in CLERKENWELL  Volume 01B  Page 485

SPOONER, ELIZABETH  HOLLAND     ESCOTT 
GRO Reference: 1858  Dec Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX  Volume 01B  Page 557

SPOONER, JOHN       ESCOTT 
GRO Reference: 1861  Mar Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY  Volume 01D  Page 4

From this it looks as though they had moved house by the 1861 census.
   

[AllanUK]

SPOONER, JOHN       ESCOTT
GRO Reference: 1861  Mar Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY  Volume 01D  Page 4


The 1861 Census shows that he was in the work house by himself:

John Spoohan, age 3/12, born: Southwark in the House, civil parish Southwark Christchurch