Lyle - Lyles family from Renfrewshire

[clanlyles]

I am interested in the migratory information of the Lyle - Lyles family in Renfrewshire.  It is my understanding that my family line starts in Renfrewshire, then is moved to Northern Ireland, and from there moves to the United States.  My line ended up in South Carolina using the name Lyles.  My research has been halted on one man who was born around 1812 and another man who was born about 1842 both in South Carolina.  Any migratory information available would be greatly appreciated.

[paisleyborn]

             

            Are you aware of the Lyles Surname Resource Centre on 
            geocities.com ?
     
             Have Lyles in my ancestry also but not your branch it seems.
             Lyles in Renfrewshire are almost as numerous as Smiths...
             if you get my drift.. 

[RedFox]

I'm intrigued by both your comments.  I've discovered two branches of my LYLE family from the Renfrewshire - Lanarkshire area. 

Many of the men in my maternal grandfather's family changed the spelling of their surname to LISLE, but they began as LYLE - Robert m. Margaret Masson; their son Robert b. 1732 m. Jean/Janet Taylor.  Three of their sons - Robert, William, and James emigrated to the US before 1800.  My grandfather was descended from James.  The family went from Pennsylvania to Ohio, then west to Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska. and other points.  My family settled in Nebraska.

The other branch is distantly related to members of the first branch and still spells the name LYLE.  Some of the naming patterns are the same however.  William E. LYLE & his wife Jannett had a son William E. b. in Paisley; he later emigrated to the northeastern US.  He married Atlanta Darling of Vermont.  They took their family West to Illinois where they appear in the 1850 and 1870 census records.   Some of their family settled in South Dakota.

I'd like to see if I can connect the two branches in SCT.  It was said that in Renfrewshire, LYLE is as common as Smith is in the US.  It just seems like there is a lot of coincidence in names, dates, and places.  More than shown here.  Would be interested in talking with anyone who is familiar with the LYLE clan and/or the Paisley - Lanark area.  BTW - Have seen LYLE spelled Leill by clerks on OPR's.    Thank you.  RedFox

[paisleyborn]

Hi RedFox...it is quite a number of years since I totally lost and confused myself among the Lyle's in my ancestry.  Indeed it is over a year since I did ANY genealogical researchfor any name..  My Lyle research was eventually much helped by a David Bratchie Lyle sometime of Australia and latterly back in the Lake district in England where  he may have become unable to continue his research???. He was a massive font of knowlege on many barnches of the Lyles ( from all over as I recall.)  I'll try my last known email address to see if he is still researching....and pass him on to you if that is suitable to you both.  Perhaps he is back working on it again...will let you know.

Personally I didn't take my Lyles back to 1732... I have checked a ' lump' of research on that point today. Although I did find in Family research, pedigree resource File ( gathered purely for interest..the following:-Rognvald Sumarlidasson De L'Isle
b. about 1148 d. abt 1207 ( both in Argylshire ) Submission search681346-122199011504.     ...Just to add a bit more info on the Lyle/Lisle/ Lyall/ Leill   surnames which all are reputed to be related at one point in the past...!!!!But who really knows??

I do agree many of the naming patterns were sooooo very similar in past years...which is probably why I attached myself ...only to find out much later...to the wrong branch of the Lyles.  My disappointment at that time was probably the reason for my long abstinence from Lyle research!!
 Also in my research ' lump' found....note of a Robert Lyle and  wife Mary Cochrane ( he said to be a farmer in Kilmalcolm Renfrewsh.
b.c.1763 parents unknown d aged 30 1793 almost certaily in Paisley. ( info from * back in jan 2004 )
Most of my Lyles I eventually found came from Houston and Kilellan and Kilmalcolm and later in Erskine and Paisley in Renfreshire too....and were farmers also.... nb James Lyle & Janet Yeats/Yates Ditch Farm Erskine Renfrew. in 1881. Believe one of his sons ( either James b.c1860 or John b c. 1874 went abroad to ? USA .. )  possible to farm too??.

This is the best I can do today, RedFox. Prhps best to contact me offline * if that suits? when I will help further if I can??!!  Moira C

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[RedFox]

Thanks, Moira.  That's a good idea.  Judy/ RedFox

[LadyLyle]

I'm a descendant of William Lyle who came to the USA at Alexandria Virginia with his wife Jeanette and their four sons: William and his brothers John, Thomas, and Robert. In 1816 the family moved to Groton Vermont and worked as stone masons. The younger William married in 1837 one Atlanta Darling who was born in 1810. Her father was Stephen Darling. There are many of the Darling descendent's in Groton Vermont to this day.
The elder William Lyle died in Vermont and after William Jr's marriage the entire family (Jeanette, William, Atlanta and the three Lyle brothers) moved to Wethersfield, Illinois. The brothers settled around Neponset, Osceola and Elmira.  William and Atlanta settled southeast of Kewanne, Ill where they had three boys: Stephen (who had Herb, Max, and Charlie); Norris (who had LeRoy, Edith, Vivian and Carrie); and Frank (who had Emma and Lizzie).
I hope this helps. We just returned from a fall foliage trip to Groton Vermont and checked two of the largest cemeteries in town for William Lyle Sr. to no avail. There are plenty of Darlings and we believe we found Stephen Darlings grave, Atalanta's father.
Happy hunting!

[RedFox]

LadyLyle, thank you for answering.  You have just discussed the second branch of my Lyle family.  I've found the Darlings and Lyles in Vermont early records.  Also found them in Illinois in 1870 census records as well as some marriage and land records.

I came to the realization that Darlings were a prominent family in Vermont.  In fact, I would regard them as some of the earliest settlers in the colonies.  More so than the Lyles, my ancestors. 

Early in your message, you mentioned Wm Sr. and Jennette and their four sons William, John, Thomas, and Robert.  Those name are almost the same as those Robert of the other branch had given his sons, substituting Thomas for James.  His wife's name was Jean or Janet!  That's why I think there might be a connection between the two families unless it's just happenstance.

I'd like to compare your info against my info and input what I don't have.  Of course, I would give you credit for any changes, as well as copy your email in the Notes section.  Standard procedures for me.

All the names sound familiar to me, but it's been awhile since I've worked with this branch.  They must have made an impression on me as they lived so recently in the westward expansion of the US.  Much thanks,  Judy / Redfox

[lylekin]

Hi LadyLyle and RedFox,

I am a g-g-g-g grandson of Nancy Elizabeth Darling, sister of Atlanta Darling, and  her first husband Norris (maybe William Norris) Dodd.  I am so happy to have stumbled upon you all!  I also found that William, Sr. to Alexandria, Virginia to Groton, Vermont, and forward to yours (Norris Lyle for naming pattern) and would like to know more about family to present generation. I have traced Darling family back on both sides through Colonial Massachusetts to George Darling in Scotland. I had hoped to go to Groton and Illinois to visit cemeteries one day and am glad to see Ladyfox has taken the trip to Vermont. Norris Dodd is my brick wall. I have found nothing about him prior to his marriage in 1840. He enlisted in the 2nd Scots Regiment in the Civil War which was a Chicago regiment and far from Kewanee and before that Elmira where they lived. He was born in New York but contrary to family tradition (who claim Puritan ancestry) he may have been a Scotland or Scots-Irish Dodd. Would love to hear from you about Lyles, Darlings and Dodds!     

[Oneraem]

Hi,

I am a decedent of Atlanta Darling Lyle, through her son Rufus, then Daisy & then Dorothy.  I would like to keep in touch.



Norm Kane