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Joseph Mingay Tall
« on: Sunday 28 November 21 20:16 GMT (UK) »
I have Joseph Mingay Tall in the 1881 census living in his father's house on Belvoir Road. (RG11 679 77 24)
Joseph Tall 62 born Bedford, Head, Architect
Sarah Tall 55 Wife
Joseph Mingay Tall 29 Concrete Builder (Son)
Ellen S Tall (Joseph Mingay’s Wife)
Sarah E Tall (Grand daughter)
Clara G Tall 5 Grand daughter)
Joseph Tall 3 (Grandson)
Roschelly Tall 0 (Grand daughter)

Can anyone tell me where he was in 1891 0r 1901? Thanks. Jim
Phelan, Sheehan, Ramsdale, Brittle, Ashworth, Watkins, Bergin, Daniels.

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Re: Joseph Mingay Tall
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 28 November 21 21:50 GMT (UK) »
Son Sydney Charles b 1882 died 1883

Have you used www.familysearch.org to look for later census entries?

1891 ref is RG12 piece 545 folio 123 page 24
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Re: Joseph Mingay Tall
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 28 November 21 22:03 GMT (UK) »
It appears that JMT deserted his family by 1883. His wife and two of his daughters are listed in a Poor Law School District record image on Ancestry.

Name and address of nearest relative: "Mother Ellen Sarah in the house. Deserted by father".

As such, could JMT be using an alias in 1891-1901?

London, England, Poor Law School District Registers, 1852-1918
Name:   Clara Tall
Admission Age:   8
Record Type:   Admission and Discharge Register
Birth Date:   abt 1875
Admission Date:   30 Jan 1883
Admission Place:   London, England
School:   Brighton Road School
School District:   South Metropolitan School District
Mother:   Ellen Sarah

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Re: Joseph Mingay Tall
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 28 November 21 22:12 GMT (UK) »
When Clara marries in 1894 she says her father is deceased

If Joseph has left by 1883, who is the father of the two younger children with Ellen on 1891?


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Re: Joseph Mingay Tall
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 28 November 21 22:21 GMT (UK) »
Here's Ellen on 1901 in Camberwell (children all listed as born there)
    
Helen Tall    45 - b Newington, office caretaker, widow
Joseph Tall    23 - florist's assistant
Frank Tall    17 - stationer's warehouseman
Teddy Tall    13

RG13; 520; 12; 11

father is builder, but not stated as deceased, on Joseph's marriage cert

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Re: Joseph Mingay Tall
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 28 November 21 22:45 GMT (UK) »
Joseph Mingay Tall died Essex 22.12.1941.  He can be found on the 1939 register in Essex
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Re: Joseph Mingay Tall
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 28 November 21 22:47 GMT (UK) »
It looks like he re-married in 1933. There's quite a few newspaper references for Joseph. The 1923 item paints a rather sad picture, and begs the question as to who the "wife" was, as it's doesn't appear to have been first wife Ellen.

GRO BMD references:

1933 Q2 Marriage - Joseph Tall & Ellen E Hooker; Braintree; 04A; 2142
1938 Q3 Death - Ellen Elizabeth Tall; age 75 (born c1863); Braintree; 04A; 825
1941 Q4 Death - Joseph Mingay Tall; age 90 (born c1851); Braintree; 04A; 1387


Daily News (London)
28 Apr 1923
A Forgotten Inventor
Man Once Famous Now In Poverty
Pioneer Of Revolution In Building
Coggeshall (Essex)
page 7
- Fifty-seven years ago Joseph Tall,
- a precocious London schoolboy of fourteen-and-a-half,
- with a passion for "making things",
- took out the first patent in this or any country
- for a method of reinforcing concrete
...
- On Tramp For Work
- A few years before the Great War of 1914 the same Joseph Tall
- was tramping England in search of work.
- For five nights he slept out with the human wreckage on the Thames Embankment
- With his wife he lined up in the bread queues.
- One day a lady, whom Tall recognised as a popular actress,
- came by, and, apparently touched by something specially pathetic about the woman,
- pressed a sovereign into her hand.
- "That lady," he said to me this afternoon,
- "didn't know she was giving charity to the wife of the man
- who had built the flat she was living in
- and invented the material is was built of
- But I knew it."
...
- he is 72 years old, and Mrs Tall ten years younger
...
- They lost their only son in the war,
- and their one daughter is married to a farm labourer
...
[long item, has photo of Joseph]


Chelmsford Chronicle
12 Aug 1938
page 10
Coggeshall
- The death occurred on Monday night of
- Mrs Ellen E Tall,
- wife of Mr J M Tall,
- of The Bungalows, Tilkey Road,
- at the age of 75 years
- Funeral to-day (Friday),
- at the Parish Church, at 3.30


Chelmsford Chronicle
26 Dec 1941
page 5
Night Walking At 90
- Coroner held an inquest on Monday on
- Joseph Mingay Tall,
- aged 90,
- of Tilkey Road, Coggeshall,
- who died at St Michael's Hospital, Braintree,
- on Sunday,
- from injuries sustained on Dec 9,
- when he was knocked down by a cyclist
- Stanley H Haines, aged 14, of Tilkey Road,
- said he and three other boys were cycling
- in Tilkey Road at 7 pm,
- proceeding in a single file,
- witness being last,
- They met deceased, who had a torch,
- and passed the three leading cyclists,
- and then walked into witness,
- who had an authorised light
- Verdict, accidental death


EDIT: Added a bit more info from the 1923 newspaper item
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Re: Joseph Mingay Tall
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 28 November 21 23:01 GMT (UK) »
Just for reference, the other RC thread on Joseph.

J Tall (Family History Beginners Board)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=848068.0
Anderson Banks Beard Brewer Caves Clarke Clinch Cooling Cuff Denton Gamble Gibson Gunn Hunt Mills Muncey Norris Notzke Reid Robinson Searle Smith Trundle Turner Weedon Wells Wilson

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Re: Joseph Mingay Tall
« Reply #8 on: Monday 29 November 21 00:09 GMT (UK) »
No mention of father JMT in his son's Poor Law School District Register record below.
Address for mother is 139 Alderminster's Road, Bermondsey.


London, England, Poor Law School District Registers, 1852-1918
Name:   Joseph Mingey Tall
Admission Age:   8
Record Type:   Admission and Discharge Register
Birth Date:   abt 1877
Admission Date:   22 Sep 1885
Admission Place:   London, England
School:   Brighton Road School
School District:   South Metropolitan School District
Mother:   Ellen