Seeking Info On James Dalgarno Who Married Margaret Ramsay @ Old Deer 24/09/1784

[Forfarian]

I think Rayne is probably far enough away for it to be unlikely that this is Margaret Gall or Dalgarno.

Interestingly, there is a stone in Fetterangus kirkyard with Margaret Gall, died 27 January 1784, and James Dalgarno, no date.

See http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/databank/miindex/miindex.php

[Alan of Kaslo]

29 Margaret Sangster's amongst the headstones!

But none with a Dalgarno...

[Forfarian]

Some of the Dalgarnos are on FindAGrave.

In the burial ground around this stone are interred the remains of James Dalgarno, weaver, sometimes residing at Nether Kinmundy who died at Slains on the 5th of Jan'y 1845 aged 88 years. Also John Dalgarno, weaver, who died at Millbrack in Jan 1831 aged 44 years. And George Dalgarno, son of the said James Dalgarno for 23 years Merchant in Slains who died at Aberdeen on the 23rd June 1847 aged 53 years. He maintained a high charactor for integrity and moral worth and died deeply regretted by a large circle of friends. Also in memory of Jane Taylor, spouse of the said James Dalgarno, who died in June 1830 aged 68 years. [Old Deer kirkyard]

Noting that James D and Jean Taylor lived at Nether Kinmundy, and that John D, widower of Margaret Sangster, also lived at Nether Kinmundy, might lead one to think that James D, son of John D and Margaret S, was the one who married Jean Taylor, and therefore that the one who married Margaret Ramsay was the son of William D and Margaret Sangster?

[Alan of Kaslo]

 That is quite interesting...

1845-88=1757

James Dalgarno 1757 "should" be a blacksmith not a weaver.  Interesting that this James was in Nether Kinmundy as that came up earlier in the thread...John Dalgarno and Margaret Sangster died in NK also.

Will have to explore all the people listed there to get a better understanding of what's going on.

Noting that James D and Jean Taylor lived at Nether Kinmundy, and that John D, widower of Margaret Sangster, also lived at Nether Kinmundy, might lead one to think that James D, son of John D and Margaret S, was the one who married Jean Taylor, and therefore that the one who married Margaret Ramsay was the son of William D and Margaret Sangster?

Yes , it looks that way but i'm confused again and will have to look over everything again.

[Alan of Kaslo]

This does look like and indication that James D 1759 from William and Margaret S could be my elusive James D...

I never did know for sure that John D was his father, just assumed.

James Dalgarno, weaver, sometimes residing at Nether Kinmundy who died at Slains on the 5th of Jan'y 1845

I don't see that death on SP. Only a Robert D died between 1843-1845. He died 16/04/1845

John Dalgarno, weaver, who died at Millbrack in Jan 1831 aged 44 years.

Not on SP either... but a child of that name aged 7 died in Longside.

No birth for a John D to correspond to the above between 1786 and 1788. There was a John D born in 1785 to an Alexander D and Margaret Clarke.

DALGARNO
   
GEORGE
   
JAMES DALGARNO/JANE TAYLOR
   
M
29/09/1794
218/
10 376
Longside

Above George from 1794 is on SP. Will get it when possible.

[Alan of Kaslo]

Rewinding a bit ... here is one of the last know to be valid documents that are regarding James D from Margaret Ramsay. I shared it earlier but do again so I can refer to it.

I think this is where I originally got the idea that John Dalgarno was James D's father. It still could be the case but John D from Nether Kinmundy and John D from Skelmuir are likely two different people. It's still possible John from Skelmuir could be his dad but it could be an uncle also and William from Little Aucheloch could be his father.

[Alan of Kaslo]

Jamed D's sister May that we spoke of earlier was born 20/10/1785 to James D sr and Margaret Ramsay. There are two May Dalgarnos died in all of Scotland at the time in Aberdeenshire ... The one that died 17/07/1829 at age 44 in Strichen would be born 1785...

Our May Dalgarno was born 20/10/1785. The other May Dalgarno was born 1772 and also might have died in Strichen  13/03/1839.

Reason I mention this is because there is still that James Dalgarno who died in Strichen 12/01/1837 at age 80. I thought that May might have been there living with James. I won't know until I get the docs to see if there are clues.

[Windsor87]

Interestingly we could be related...but my link will always be in doubt. See  below a post I made on this forum in 2011.

The proposition is that James Dalgarno fathered my great great grandfather and his twin brother...while his own wife was pregnant (she subsequently died before the twins were born). He was the son of Henry, who was the son of James who was the son of James and Mary Ramsay.

In September 1879 my great great great grandmother gave birth to illegitimate twins James and Samuel Garden. Their father was not stated on birth certificates, but it became clear through subsequent years that they were children of a Mr Dalgarno. When James Garden married, he gave his name as James Dalgarno, and registered his son as a Dalgarno too before changing his mind and reverting back to Garden. Samuel stuck to Garden, but on his marriage record it was stated that his mother was previously Mrs Dalgarno (which she never was).

Anyway...

I am a big fan of tracing fathers though the name of the illegitimate child. Thus I thought I'd see if there were any James or Samuel Dalgarnos in the Peterhead area as potential fathers to the twins. There were no Samuels, but two Jameses of interest.

In the first instance, James William Dalgarno had an illegitimate child with Jane Garden - the aunt of Samuel and James - in 1877. As you can imagine I thought I was in luck as there was a direct link to my family (possibly too direct). James William married Jane in 1879, the year the twins were born. He became the most likely candidate until last night.

Last night I found the second James Dalgarno...

This second James Dalgarno lived at 31c Broad Street, Peterhead, in 1879. Margaret Garden - the twins mother - also lived at 31 Broad Street (it appears to be a block of flats). The twins place of birth in September 1879 was given as 31c Broad Street. Then it gets interesting. James Dalgarno's wife died in January 1879 1 1/4 months after child birth [at 31c Broad Street]. Thus if he was the father of the twins, they would have been conceived when his wife was about 7 months pregnant (assuming both pregnancies lasted 9 months). So with a wife 7 months pregnant, may he have looked next door?

Of course I would never document either of them as the father as there is simply not enough evidence to suggest that either are definately the father. Makes you think though...

[GR2]

In September 1879 my great great great grandmother gave birth to illegitimate twins James and Samuel Garden. Their father was not stated on birth certificates, but it became clear through subsequent years that they were children of a Mr Dalgarno. When James Garden married, he gave his name as James Dalgarno, and registered his son as a Dalgarno too before changing his mind and reverting back to Garden. Samuel stuck to Garden, but on his marriage record it was stated that his mother was previously Mrs Dalgarno (which she never was).

From the minutes of Peterhead Kirk Session, 5th November 1878:

Compeared Margaret Garden, Broad Street,
who confessed that she had given birth
to a child in fornication on the 17th June
last and charging as the Father James
Morrison, Stone Cutter, Windmill Street.
Neither party being in communion with
the Church, the case was delayed till
they should seek admission.