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Re: Gordon of the Coal Yard Ballymoney
« Reply #9 on: Monday 22 November 21 19:40 GMT (UK) »
Yes. I assume it’s either a transcription error or a mistake on the gravestone. Not unknown as we know. Death certificate is for 26.10.1964 aged 41. So the age on the gravestone isn't right either.
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Re: Gordon of the Coal Yard Ballymoney
« Reply #11 on: Monday 22 November 21 20:01 GMT (UK) »
This may be the marriage of the William John Gordon you referenced in the newspapers, aghadowey. His marriage to Ellen Booth in 1885 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10872/5970555.pdf

The had a son called Samuel Boyd Gordon in Ballymoney in 1896 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02164/1819970.pdf He looks to have died in Canada in 1935

They also had a son James in born 1890 in Ballymoney.

Wonder if this is the family a couple of generations back?

1901 www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000296443/
1911 www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001380030/

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Re: Gordon of the Coal Yard Ballymoney
« Reply #12 on: Monday 22 November 21 20:08 GMT (UK) »
Photo from Billion Graves for the gravestone https://billiongraves.com/grave/Samuel-Boyd-Gordon/22946548

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Re: Gordon of the Coal Yard Ballymoney
« Reply #13 on: Monday 22 November 21 20:13 GMT (UK) »
Sandel1, just adding link to your old Gordon post for background here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=766778.0

The Hannah Wilson you think was mother to John Gordon Wilson b. 1864 died young didn't she https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1874/020663/7250434.pdf

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Re: Gordon of the Coal Yard Ballymoney
« Reply #14 on: Monday 22 November 21 20:25 GMT (UK) »
Sandel1,

You now have a fair bit of information about this branch of the Gordon family. There were several Samuel Gordons in the Ballymoney area.  You need to take care to make sure you follow the right line back.

I would contact GRONI and get a copy of Odette Gordon’s birth certificate c 1964. Odette is not a common name and it should be easy enough to find. (Her 2003 death certificate should have her exact date of birth but I suspect you can avoid paying for that). From Odette’s birth certificate you will have her mother’s maiden/previous name and should be able to trace their marriage. Andrew was born c 1956 so it was presumably sometime prior to that. The marriage should give you Samuel Boyd G’s father’s name and occupation.  That should help identify the correct Samuel Boyd Gordon birth.

GRONI will do a 5 year search for £7 and if they find a matching certificate you can purchase it for £8, coming to a total of £15. It will be posted to you a few days later. You pay over the phone using a credit card. You type your number in on the phone keypad. They don’t know what it is.  They won’t deal with these searches and orders by e-mail or post because they need you to type the credit card number in yourself.

Phone: 0300 200 7890 (+44 300 200 7890 from outside the UK)

Alternatively if you live near Belfast, you can go in person to either GRONI or PRONI (both in Belfast). They are the only places where you can search recent records, right up to those registered yesterday. You can view each cert there for £2.50, and if you want a certified copy it’s an extra £8. (Posted out in 2 to 3 weeks time).

At present you need to make an appointment for a personal visit to either PRONI or GRONI. See their websites for details.
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Re: Gordon of the Coal Yard Ballymoney
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 23 November 21 23:24 GMT (UK) »
Thank you to all who made valuable contributions to my search for info on this family.    Yes, it would seem that Samuel Boyd Gordon was neither 40 as his gravestone suggests on his death in 1964, or 42 as the press report.  I have found his birth recorded to Nancy and James Gordon 7 May 1919.  I know from past experience that a year or two in either direction seemed to suffice for birthdays back in the day.  He seems to have been their fourth child, not fifth. I had already traced James and Nancy back to him being the son of Wm James of Kirkfields who married Ellen Booth of Kirkhills in 1885, and his father was James.  I also was considering a line from Hugh and Selina Boyd Gordon, because of the Boyd addition to the name but this now is irrelevant, though this line is to my DNA match.  My Great Grandfather John Gordon born 1864 appears to have had an Uncle James born 1834 who married late per my DNA match  on Ancestry, they were from near the Dark Hedges, so I conclude that I am most likely related to Gordons of the coal yard through him.   It was the Telegraph death announcement that provided the info that put it all into place, and this was a paper I never would have delved into for local affairs, usually looking up old Chronicles and Constitutions. I had not wanted to go into the area involving Samuel Boyd Gordon's children's deaths as the person who contacted me seeking the family link shared fairly sensitive info on the sad conditions that prevailed for these young people.  Thank you all who contributed - some useful info on GRONI may help others too.
McFadden, McCaldridge, M'Aldridge, Gordon, Robb, McDonald

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Re: Gordon of the Coal Yard Ballymoney
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 23 November 21 23:28 GMT (UK) »
As I posted yesterday-
Samuel Gordon born 1919 died 9 days old-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1919/05153/4420808.pdf

Births for N.I. counties only go up to 1921 so it's likely he was born 1922 or slightly later.
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Re: Gordon of the Coal Yard Ballymoney
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 24 November 21 16:11 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Aghadowey, makes sense now as this agrees better with the press statement, was unable to open this link last night, all good now.
McFadden, McCaldridge, M'Aldridge, Gordon, Robb, McDonald