Author Topic: Edmund Keane BYRNE, born 1833-1838, Middlesex  (Read 1191 times)

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Edmund Keane BYRNE, born 1833-1838, Middlesex
« on: Friday 12 November 21 13:55 GMT (UK) »
Edmund Keane BYRNE was born in London between 1833-1838.   Can anyone identify a more exact date please?

He was the son of Francis Michael Edward BYRNE, a Musician, who died on 14/04/1838 in Somers Town, and his wife Ann, nee KEANE, a Charwoman, who died in 1847.   In 1845 Ann was living at 6 Little Albany Street, Regents Park.

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Re: Edmund Keane BYRNE, born 1833-1838, Middlesex
« Reply #1 on: Friday 12 November 21 14:07 GMT (UK) »
Have you looked for a baptism?

How old was he in 1841?

When did he die & how old was he when he died? 
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Re: Edmund Keane BYRNE, born 1833-1838, Middlesex
« Reply #2 on: Friday 12 November 21 14:39 GMT (UK) »
There is a tree on Ancestry - showing his grave from Find a Grave.

Seemingly he died in Chittering, Western Australia on 20th Jan 1904 aged 71. So a birth year of 1833 (maybe!!) He had married in Australia in 1860.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/92595637/by
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Re: Edmund Keane BYRNE, born 1833-1838, Middlesex
« Reply #3 on: Friday 12 November 21 14:40 GMT (UK) »
I see his criminal record is giving an 1837 birth year!
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Re: Edmund Keane BYRNE, born 1833-1838, Middlesex
« Reply #4 on: Friday 12 November 21 14:46 GMT (UK) »



Cannot find birth or baptismal records!!
1841 Census states he was 6 years of age.
Criminal records in 1845 state he was 8 years of age.
He died in 1904 aged 71 ex-Death Certificate.




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Re: Edmund Keane BYRNE, born 1833-1838, Middlesex
« Reply #5 on: Friday 12 November 21 15:26 GMT (UK) »
He was possibly Roman Catholic and records of baptisms can be difficult to find.

From the many trees available - (and I do appreciate you cannot take these as gospel - but there are lots of photographs and research on these ones) -- Edmund's parents were Irish and R.C.

You may not be able to find his baptism unfortunately, until more RC records are published.
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Re: Edmund Keane BYRNE, born 1833-1838, Middlesex
« Reply #6 on: Friday 12 November 21 15:46 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Pennines,

I did scour unavailingly the 163 (??) Ancestry Public Member Trees and Ancestry's full "Research" function!!   Then thought RootsChat inevitably would provide an answer or pathway. 8)

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Re: Edmund Keane BYRNE, born 1833-1838, Middlesex
« Reply #7 on: Friday 12 November 21 16:01 GMT (UK) »
Don't despair BAC3 -- some cleverer Rootschatter may find something for you yet.

Hope so.
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Re: Edmund Keane BYRNE, born 1833-1838, Middlesex
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 30 November 21 09:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi BAC3,

I am grateful for the work that you have done on the history of the Parkhurst boys. I want to honour your request regarding my ancestor with as detailed a response as I can generate.

As you point out, we can only infer the year of Edmund's birth by looking at other records, and it is anywhere between 1833 and 1838. It's possible that he was not even baptised and never had his birth registered. This would not be surprising because it does appear as though his family were poor, living in the densely populated low socioeconomic area of Somers Town in St Pancras, and otherwise experiencing tough times around the time he was born.

The earliest mention of his parents Francis Byrne and Anne is in 1818 on the baptism register for their son Francis Joseph Byrne in Crewkerne where the occupation is listed as 'Player'. Then in 1820, their daughter Mary Byrne was baptised in Chichester where the occupation for Francis Michael Edward Byrne is again 'Player'. The term 'player' covers both actor and musician, however it is still difficult to distinguish the details of his career mainly because almost all the theatre playbills only use surnames in the dramatis personae. There is an account of a play called 'The Fate of Frankenstein' 1824 in Stratford-Upon-Avon for the benefit of "Mr Byrne" where he ran around playing fiddle in between his acting parts. In the same town in the same month, there is a legal complaint against John Barnett for assault, where Francis Byrne is referred to as Irish. Edmund may have been as young as 1 year old when his father died in 1838 in Tom's Buildings on Ossulston Street, and it appears as though Edmund's older brother Francis Joseph Byrne (also a musician) was present at his father's death. There is a note on the burial indicating he was poor. Francis was listed as 43 years old when he died, and so working backwards would have him born around 1795. There is a Francis Byrne born in Southwark in 1795, but accounting for all the other clues, the most likely baptism is for Francis Michael Byrne in St Michan's Dublin in 1792.

Edmund Kean Byrne's mother Anne was witness to the marriage for Francis Joseph Byrne in Paddington in 1839. Then, in UK Census of 1841, Anne aged 40 lived in Phoenix Street, Somers Town, St Pancras with Edmund (8yo) and his siblings Henry (14) and Amelia (7). The census indicates that Edmund was born in the county of Middlesex, however the others were born out of county (Ann is not indicated to be born in Ireland). Then in 1845 Anne worked as a charwoman in Regent's Park which is not too far from Somers Town. Anne apparently died in 1847 in the Dean Street workhouse in the parish of St Margaret Westminster. Incidentally, Edmund Kean Byrne was recorded as living in the parish of St Margaret Westminster when he was committed for trial in 1845. I haven't found much else about Anne Byrne.
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