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Re: My Missing Grandmother
« Reply #27 on: Friday 12 November 21 23:12 GMT (UK) »
It’s not much help really is it?
Fannie Burke is a servant with Esther and Kate.
I wonder why she didn’t have Esther as a witness but that could be anything.

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Re: My Missing Grandmother
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 14 November 21 03:51 GMT (UK) »




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Heywood,  Having looked over everything again I see there is confusion with the names Mary REILLY and Anne REILLY and also FARRELLY and FARLEY. Re the latter I thought it was just a variant of the same name; but now know it isn't.

I now think the John REILLY that I had as brother for Mary and Kate IS NOT SO.  The fact that they all lived near one another in Ringsend adds to the confusion.

It would seem to be a fact that Mary and Kate were sisters, even though we can't find Kate's birth nor baptism. The fact that Kate's jail record categorically states NoK Mary FULLAM, sister; is a strong case,  Also the fact that three separate members of Mary's family claim strong DNA matches with me is another strong case for connection.

Do you think it is possible that the Anne REILLY on the death certificate, where my grandfather is the informant, is almost certainly Kate's mother, could still be Mary FARRELLY, who, because of the other Mary REILLY called herself Anne? If this was the case it would be an explanation of some of the confusion.

Also you may have noticed in Dublin 1850's death notice from the newspaper it says re Mary FULLAM "her sons, daughters and sister." So one sister was still alive in 1951. It wasn't Kate.(died 1931). Could it be Esther, or another one we don't know about?

I do appreciate your interest in my dilemma and your comments and observations are very valuable to me. So, thank you most sincerely.

PALMIRA  (Ken)
HELMAN, MATTERS, MILES, BOWER. MORTIMER, ELDRIDGE, EDEN, PENWILL, BENNETT, HILL

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Re: My Missing Grandmother
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 14 November 21 06:26 GMT (UK) »
I am confused with the ‘other Mary Reilly’.
Where do you have a record of Mary Reilly as mother to these people?

With regard to the sister in Mary Fullam’s death announcement, it isn’t Esther.

Marriage: Esther O’Reilly 1898 to John Byrne
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10406/5789539.pdf

Death of Esther Byrne 1905 - informant Christy Fullam, nephew
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05604/4575427.pdf
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Re: My Missing Grandmother
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 14 November 21 10:27 GMT (UK) »
Irish genealoghttps://www.rootschat.com/forum/Themes/genealogy/images/bbc/glow.gify Birth of John REILLY, 1868. Group Registration ID   7742103
SR District/Reg Area   Dublin South
Sex   N/R
Mother's Birth Mary FARLEY.

Found this Mary Reilly (and son John) on 1901 census and her death later in 1901 and assumed this was Mary FARRELLY death's; but now know Kate's mother died in 1898.  By the way the address of death was same street where James HELMAN and Kate were living in 1901 Census.

The note about Esther seems to be her despite being O'REILLY, as Christy FULLAM, nephew was certainly one of Mary FULLUM's sons. Her age also seems quite within range.

You are a gem.  I thank you again. Even if I remain confused.
HELMAN, MATTERS, MILES, BOWER. MORTIMER, ELDRIDGE, EDEN, PENWILL, BENNETT, HILL


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Re: My Missing Grandmother
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 14 November 21 12:31 GMT (UK) »
Irish genealoghttps://www.rootschat.com/forum/Themes/genealogy/images/bbc/glow.gify Birth of John REILLY, 1868. Group Registration ID   7742103
SR District/Reg Area   Dublin South
Sex   N/R
Mother's Birth Mary FARLEY.

Found this Mary Reilly (and son John) on 1901 census and her death later in 1901 and assumed this was Mary FARRELLY death's; but now know Kate's mother died in 1898.  By the way the address of death was same street where James HELMAN and Kate were living in 1901 Census.

Which death is the same address as the Helmans in 1901?
They are living in Fitzwilliam Street then.

Is this Mary Reilly’s death? Address Whitethorn Lane
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05712/4611423.pdf

I can’t see Mary and son John in 1901.
John’s birth - address The Point
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03442/2263964.pdf

I am confused re you having Mary as a possibility family member. I just wonder where you think she fits in.
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Re: My Missing Grandmother
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 14 November 21 12:44 GMT (UK) »
When you had Mary as mother, I saw this marriage but just put it to the back of my mind.
It is for Ann Reilly in 1879 with parents John and Ann. Unfortunately, the priest does not record the mothers’ maiden names at that time. Here is the parish record.

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=haddington_road_mf_1849-1907_ma_0493

And civil record
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11067/8049189.pdf
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Re: My Missing Grandmother
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 14 November 21 13:22 GMT (UK) »
There are these baptisms for names we have associated with the family.
All at Haddington Road. That was mentioned earlier but don’t know if it is the right area.

10th June 1853 - Jane  - parents John and Anne Reilly
13th April 1856 - Anne - parents John and Anne Reilly
12th June 1859 - Esther- parents John Reilly and Anne Doyle
26th June 1862 - Mary - parents John Reilly and Anne Doyle

Then there are these who should have civil records to compare and check addresses but I can’t see them.

23rd June 1866 - Catherine - parents John Reilly and Anne Byrne
24th October 1869 - Sarah Reilly - parents John Reilly and Anne Connor
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Re: My Missing Grandmother
« Reply #34 on: Monday 15 November 21 10:56 GMT (UK) »
heywood,

See below what I have been basing my parentage for Mary REILLY later FULLAM. The births, baptism and marriages seemed to be OK at the time,  But now seem in error.

First name(s)   Mary Last name   REILLY

Birth year   - 1865

Baptism year   1865 Baptism date    09 Jul 1865

Parish   Haddington Road

Alternative parish names   Haddington Road, Dublin, Irishtown, St. Mary's

Diocese   Dublin County   Dublin Country   Ireland
Father's first name(s)   John Father's last name   REILLY

Mother's first name(s)   Mary Mother's last name   FARRELLY

Sponsor  Mary MULLIN

Repository National Library of Ireland
National Library of Ireland register   http://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633834#page/1/mode/1up

FindMyPast  05/2020  KGE.

Your notes for Mary, Anne, Esther and Jane with parents John REILLY and Anne DOYLE make much more sense, especially in light of the D/C for Anne REILLY where James H. HELMAN is informant.

How did you obtain this information.  I only have access to Irish Genealogy and FindMyPast.

I again am so indebted to you for your continued patience and assistance to me.  Really much appreciated.

PALMIRA
HELMAN, MATTERS, MILES, BOWER. MORTIMER, ELDRIDGE, EDEN, PENWILL, BENNETT, HILL

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« Reply #35 on: Monday 15 November 21 12:56 GMT (UK) »
I found those through indexes on Ancestry but looking today, they are not that obvious. I used Haddington Road as a key word.
I have just looked for Esther who does appear - no transcription on Irish Genealogy - church records.

Here she is in parish records. I think they are transcribed records.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633834#page/141/mode/1up

Jane is here
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633834#page/59/mode/1up

I hope this helps
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