New South Wales birth - Frank STUART

[CarlyMaree11]

Oh wow, there you go!

There was a Frederick/Frank Townsend that kept popping up in gaol records when I was researching Frank's Stuarts criminal activity, I might have to go back now and could possibly find the missing gaps I have, including how he was arrested in New Zealand but yet I couldn't work out how he had gotten there to start with haha

I've also found that birth certificate as well, thank you!!

[sparrett]

While I am not disputing that the birth of one Frederick TOWNSEND mms TURNER found by wivenhoe is very possibly the man, this birth has caught my eye for consideration also

TOWNSEND, FRANK        - 
GRO Ref 1881  D Quarter
KINGS NORTON
Volume 06C  Page 443

No mms so were assume illegitimate

Sue

ADDING
Seems a bit far from the location of other information

[CarlyMaree11]

Hmmm I'll go have a look at it now, thank you

[sparrett]

A longshot thought here

Looking for the possible family of Elizabeth Ann (nee TURNER) who it is stated has a father named John TURNER.

Following from  Jorose's 1891 census finding- listed above-of Elizabeth TOWNSEND married without husband present,, we have an earlier sighting

1881 census for the same family.

Elizabeth TOWNSEND and her children. (No Frederick)

Their address is 9 Commercial Road Calstock.

I find also a family headed by John TURNER. He is a postmaster aged 48 with several children, not including one named Elizabeth Ann. He is married to married to Eliza Jane.

His address is 3 Fore Street Calstock.

I suggest you use Google maps to see the proximity of these 2 addresses.
Really just a few steps I think.

Sue

 

[sparrett]

Ah Yes!
I have just found the TURNER family in 1871 and Elizabeth Ann is one of the children

Elizabeth Ann TURNER
Age 14 
Born1857 
Relation to head Daughter 
Where born Chilsworthy, Cornwall, England 
Civil parish Calstock 
Town Gunnis Lake 
County Cornwall 
Registration district Tavistock
 
ED, institution, or vessel17 
Household schedule number:171 
Piece:2145  /Folio101  /Page number34
 
Household Members

John TURNER 38  Head 
Elizabeth Jane TURNER 37  Wife 
Elizabeth Ann TURNER  14  Daughter 
William Henry TURNER 12  Son 
Janes TURNER 7  Daughter 
John Peardon20  Apprentice 
   
 John is an outfitter and lives at a Tailors Shop in the village.

Sue

[wivenhoe]

See the TURNER family, father John born Winkleigh, Census 1881.

Nephew COLE Samuel (mms. TOWNSEND, GRO)
Nephew COLE George (mms. WOOLCOCK, GRO)
Niece WOOLCOCK Jane.

I think the mother of Elizabeth Annie on the marriage certificate, NSW, 1882, might be WILCOCKS.

[CarlyMaree11]

Thank you all! Lots for me to have a look at.

I have a question, there is another family in a similar area and timeframe that have a John Turner with a daughter Elizabeth Anne Turner.

 How do you work out without knowing her mother's name, which one is the right one?

[sparrett]

Thank you all! Lots for me to have a look at.

I have a question, there is another family in a similar area and timeframe that have a John Turner with a daughter Elizabeth Anne Turner.

 How do you work out without knowing her mother's name, which one is the right one?

Please be specific in your sighting.
Where is the other family you mention?
Please either link your source or type up all details.

Regarding which will be the correct family it will be a bringing together of documentary evidence and location plus other circumstances.  Deduction.

Sue

[sparrett]

Anyhow, as wivenhoe suspected, this is likely the marriage of the parents of Elizabeth Ann TURNER

Marriages Jun 1854   
TURNER John
WILLCOCKS  Elizabeth Jane
Stoke D.  5b 531

Sue