New South Wales birth - Frank STUART

[wivenhoe]

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
TOWNSEND Elizabeth of "Gunnislake" Calstock Cornwall widow, died 24 July 1899 administration Bodmin 9 August to Augusta Mary Stuart PARKEN (wife of Alfred PARKEN)

I think that Frederick TOWNSEND left for Australia with  Elizabeth Ann TURNER, a local girl. Elizabeth knew his family from Cornwall. Years in the colony, 31 1/2 at June 1912, would apply to her as well.

[sparrett]

No I think had only seen the transfer of the business over to Frederick, but that was about it

He is a cordial manufacturer, not hosiery.
Can you look at the document (Frederick jnr 's birth certificate) and confirm this?

Also can you also look at the numeral describing the number of previous children (before Frederick)  on the same certificate. Does it say 2 boys and 1 girl or...?

Sue

[wivenhoe]

GRO birth
TOWNSEND, Frederick   mms.       TURNER 
1881  SepQ          Crediton  Vol 05B  Page 405

[CarlyMaree11]

Yep, it says Hosiery manufacturer. Which is odd!

And yes it says 2 boys and 1 girl

[CarlyMaree11]

Ohhh thanks! I assumed that must have been the case re Frederick with the name change and leaving his first wife!

[sparrett]

Hi
I am having some difficulties with getting this to flow well.

Frederick Gately TOWNSEND is declared bankrupt in 1880 in UK and his wife Elizabeth (presumably nee Jackman) alleges desertion the next month in 1880.

A woman surnamed Turner, (presumably Elizabeth Ann) has a son named Frederick in Sept quarter 1881 in Devon UK.

Meanwhile, in Australia in Nov. 1880 Frederick (now) STUART takes the transfer and management of a cordial manufacturing business, Crystal Fountain. Despite the fact he is a bankrupt.

Allegedly, in Australia in 1882, Maud, a child of this couple ,whose birth registration I do not see, is born followed in 1888 by Frederick, whose first name has been used once for the first born in England , while Frederick the firstborn is now known as Frank. 

Sue

[CarlyMaree11]

Yes it's all very odd isn't it! I couldn't get my head around it lol

So do you think my Frank Stuart was actually born Frederick in UK?

I also don't know why the children of Elizabeth and Frederick weren't listed as his children on his death certificate?

Thank you all so much for your help I definitely couldn't do it myself

[sparrett]

I am not so concerned about his children with TURNER not being listed.

The requirement is-
List the children of the marriages -

As all the (mother TURNER) children were born outside the marriage, they are not required to be listed strictly speaking.

 Sue 

[CarlyMaree11]

Ohhhhhh right I understand, I guess makes sense, it was throwing me off so much!