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Re: 1881 England census - Illegible birth place
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 03 November 21 00:15 GMT (UK) »
Is this the same "Amelia Chambers" who died/buried 19 July 1899 in Portsea (age 57) ex Union Infirmary?

The 1881 census says she was single but unable to find a matching lady between 1881 & 1899 to confirm her place of birth. Any sightings in Hants for 1891 census?
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Re: 1881 England census - Illegible birth place
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 03 November 21 09:30 GMT (UK) »
The difficulty with the 1899 Chambers is that she was a widow, and the 1881 Chambers is unmarried.

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Re: 1881 England census - Illegible birth place
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 03 November 21 09:51 GMT (UK) »
Amelia Chambers is a cousin of the head of household Edward Williams, born London.
Try looking for a Chambers aunt/uncle of Edward Williams.
As Edward Williams is from London, the Whitechapel birth for Amelia may be relevant.

The census entry for Amelia is suspect as her name is written over a crossed out entry
(Anne Dawson?) and Thite Porride makes no sense.


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Re: 1881 England census - Illegible birth place
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 03 November 21 10:02 GMT (UK) »
I think the crossed out bit is where they wrote cousin in the wrong place


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Re: 1881 England census - Illegible birth place
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 03 November 21 10:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
I'm not familiar with Portsea (except in Australia) so can't find it on the old nls maps but wondering if the second word could be ...rricle? rather than rride?
Just a thought :)
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Re: 1881 England census - Illegible birth place
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 03 November 21 10:35 GMT (UK) »
Amelia Chambers is a cousin of the head of household Edward Williams, born London.

She could also be the cousin of either of Edwards wives  :-\
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Re: 1881 England census - Illegible birth place
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 03 November 21 11:35 GMT (UK) »
Portsea is part of Portsmouth, England.  I searched oldmapsonline.org but couldn't see anything resembling the aforementioned place.
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Re: 1881 England census - Illegible birth place
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 03 November 21 13:51 GMT (UK) »
Tony - Edward Williams is my 2nd GG but I'm not 100% sure that I've got him correctly identified, hence the interest in verifying Amelia Chambers. I have him born in St Pancras, Middlesex on 29/01/1854 to Thomas Williams and Alice Bruce Royall. None of the Amelia Chambers I've researched, including the Whitechapel one, has an obvious connection as one would expect from a cousin. This Edward Williams dies in 1890.

Ian & Rosie - The address is 17 Silver Street (https://maps.nls.uk/view/105989404#zoom=5&lat=7558&lon=2710&layers=BT). The area is now better known as Southsea (https://www.streetmap.co.uk/map?x=463913&y=99395&z=110&sv=Silver+Street&st=6&tl=Map+of+Silver+Street,+Southsea,+Hampshire,+PO5&searchp=ids&mapp=map).

Rosie - I've only been able to track one wife for Edward - Sarah Reynolds, b. 22/04/1845 in Plaitford, Hants to James Reynolds and Sarah Roles. Plaitford is not far from Whiteparish - one of the suggestions above.

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Re: 1881 England census - Illegible birth place
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 04 November 21 06:56 GMT (UK) »
The family relationships on the 1881 census for the Williams household are not simple.
The Kemp Williams children were born Kemp implying that Sarah Reynolds was previously married to a Mr. Kemp. The last two men Jas and Alfred have the Williams surname, but are shown as Boarders and not relatives of the head of household.

So the relationship between Amelia Chambers/Anne Dawson and the Williams family is not clear.


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