New to Welsh Research

[Sam Swift]

As far as the witnesses go, Augusta is Lily's sister. the other witness John Probert was living at 14 Brynhyfryd Aberaman in Cwmaman in 1901, with his wife Hannah, daughter Mary Ann and 2 boarders Evan and Daniel Jones.  Looking at the GRO Index Mary Ann Probert's mother's maiden name was Jones and there's a marriage or Hannah Jones and John Probert in the Merthyr District in Jun 1892. Hannah dies in January 1910 https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3579311/3579314/38/john%20probert%20cwmaman

In 1891 Hannah is living with some of her siblings at 67 Glanaman Rd. By now both their parents must be deceased, with brother David listed as the head. See  RG12; Piece: 4448; Folio: 15; Page: 27

In 1881 we have a posisble family for Hannah & John with parents and several siblings at 67 Glanaman Rd, Aberdare. There are 11 children with parents - see RG11 Piece 5324 Folio 142 Page 14 Schedule 1115.
Thomas Jones the father is a colliery Timberman and was born 1837 at Cwmavon and Ann Jones (nee Davies) born 1841 also Cwmavon with 11 children (minus 2 named on the 1871 census) : Thomas b. Taibach 1860, Sarah b. 1863 Cwmavon, David b. 1866 Cwmavon, Mary b.1868 Aberdare, William b. 1870 Aberdare, Hannah b. 1872 Aberdare, Phillip b. 1874 Aberdare, Rhichard b. 1875 Aberdare, John b. 1876  Aberdare, Evan b. 1878 Aberdare and Noah born 1880 Aberdare.

In 1871 we have Thomas and Ann Jones with children Dinah, Thomas, Mary David and William at Forchaman Rd. Dinah and Thomas I think are children of Thomas's first marriage to a Sarah born in  Llanelly Carmarthenshire. They must have married about 1856 and Sarah must have died after the 1861 census after the birth of Thomas in 1860. John must have remarried by about 1865.

1871 census is at RG10 Piece 5410 Folio 148 Page 35 Schedule 133

The 1861 census has them at Club Row, Hafod y Porth, Margam in Michaelstone parish (became Cwmavon) where Thomas and wife Sarah and children Dinah and Thomas jnr is at RG9 Piece 4080 Folio 77 Page 4

[mackaa]

Wow I was just trying to catch up and you added heaps more to your message.  Thank you
The 1881 Census is one I had earmarked as most likely.  I just hadn't found the link through to John.  Which obviously you have with the marriage of sister to witness at wedding.  Thomas (father) was deceased when John married.  Also John named his first born Noah which was another reason I earmarked this one.

Just working my way through all the kids and marriages.  Doesn't solve my death of John but I have requested a couple of look ups through the Library and GFHS.  Hopefully will get some results from this.

Thanks so much for your help

[Sam Swift]

John Jones is lised on the 1907 Electors Register under 25 Brynbedw Terrace with successive qualifying properties listed as 27 Church Terrace,  45 Glanaman Rd Cwmaman and 25 Brynbedw Tce

Church Terrace is a street in front of Brynbedw Tce and the 1891 cenusus had John and his siblings at 67 Glanaman Rd in 1891.

1906 records John Jones 45 Glanaman Rd Cwmaman
1907 as above
1908 at 25 Brynbedw Tce
1909 number 25 Brynbedw Tce is not listed only numbers 24 & 26.

If you haven't heard anything from the library, the above suggests he died between 1908 & 9 for could be after he registered and before lists were compiled i.e 1907 -1908.
 

[mackaa]

Please forgive my ignorance but given the prevalence of the name John JONES at the time wouldn't the only relevant entry be the one at 25 Brynbedw?  As this is an address there is already a record for him.  As I have said I am new to Welsh Research so an explanation of how the Electoral Registers work would probably be helpful. Thankyou

[mackaa]

I am guessing that the electoral registers relate to ownership or tenancy of the property
For example a search of All Glamorganshire, Wales, Electoral Registers, 1832-1978 results for 67 Glanaman Road comes up with these results
1889 -  David JONES
1890 – David JONES
1891 – David JONES
1892 – David JONES
1893 – David JONES
1897 – John PROBERT
1898 – John PROBERT
1899 – John PROBERT
1900 – John PROBERT
1902 – John OWEN
1903 – John OWEN
1904 – John FRANCIS
1905 – Joseph FRANCIS
1906 – David John MORGAN
1907 – David John MORGAN
1908 – David John MORGAN
1909 – Henry BUTLER
1910 – Henry BUTLER
NB I did not look past 1910
NB there are no records prior to 1889 for 67 Glanaman (not on Ancestry anyway)
These appear to corelate to Census entries for same period
But do not show John JONES or his father Thomas JONES at all but his brother David is there in 1889 to 1893. 
Am I jumping to conclusions that the father Thomas JONES died in 1889 or earlier?

                                                   

[Sam Swift]

This corresponds with the Tomas Jones family living at 67 Glanaman Rd 1881, with last son Daniel born 1882. Thomas and Ann the parents are not shown on the 1891 census which has various children of theirs all living together. The electoral Registers you show and the 1881 & 1891 censuses do then suggest Thomas and Ann the parents both died 1881-1891. They may well be buried in Aberdare cemetery.

I've found a service record for the son Evan born 1878 who joining the Glamorgan Artillery 2 feb 1898 service number 1561 and who was discharged due to expired terms in 1904. Gave hiss address as 67 Glanaman Rd and he was single.