New to Welsh Research

[Sam Swift]

The Sarah Ann Jones widow, may not have been  his widow. There was an inquest into John Jones's death and the newspaper reports that he was a widower with no children - see https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3433517/3433527/249/marwolaeth%20john%20jones,%20wattstown

[mackaa]

Corryn - thanks for the suggestion of Glamorgan FHS  - I think this will definately help

Sam - very helpful thank you.  I had ordered the certificate already for the death you refer to but had missed the probate reference.  Silly me I could have saved some money.  Wife is Lily Alice so not the correct death. 

UK death certificates are so uninformative compared to our NZ ones.  It is very hard to know what is worth ordering.

Any further suggestions very much appreciated.  And thank you for those so far.
Thank you
Melanie

[heddwch]

HI do join Glamorgan family HIstory Facebook  i am admin on there lots of folk who are helpful
Best wishes
Heddwch

[Sam Swift]

As ar as there being a grave, if he lived in Tylorstown /Maerdy or Ferndale, then he could be buried in Ferndale or Llanownno cemetery. I don't think Penrhys cemetery was opened unitl the 1920's. It is possible if he lived nearer Wattstown or Ynyshir, that he might be buried at Trealaw. If you have the birth certiicate of the last child, then the address may give a clue as to the most likely cemetery. There is for example John Jones buried at Ferndale IN 1907 Plot C58 (D). Internment 4714. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/146255405/john-jones
Unfortunately there are no other details recorded, so diicult to know if this John is even an adult.
However, if you contacted Treorchy or Pontypridd library, they could look up his internment record and email you a copy. This would give details of name, address, occupation and other relations possibly.

Given the short span of years in which the death is likely to have occurred, the librarian would I'm sure be able to search and find all relevant John Jones's during that time, at all relevant cemeteries in the Rhondda for which they hold records (including possibly relevant local chapels).

Do you have any details of John's marriage to Lily Alice ?

[mackaa]

Thanks for the additional messages.
The death on 22 June 1907 at Standard Colliery is the right age and occupation. But no other clues on the printout to suggest he is my John. And given the probate I am guessing not.  I did see that one article says married and the other not.

John JONES married Lily Alice WILLIAMS on 1 Feb 1902 at Merthyr Tydfil Registry Office.  Occupation Assistant Colliery Timberman.  Address Cwmaman, Aberdare.  Lily address Mardy Pontypridd.  Youngest child Aerianwen born 16 Nov 1906 - address 25 Brynbedw Terrace, Tylorstown.  John occupation Colliery Repairer.  There is nothing to say that John was deceased at this point.

Lily remarried Charles PHILLIPS on 6 Jul 1909 at Pontypridd registry office.  Lily stated as Widow. Both give address as 46 Hendrefadog Street, Tylorstown. Their daughter's birth registered 1st Qtr 1910 registered in Pontypridd (I do not have this printout yet).  Given possible conception dates it seems likely that Lily and Charles were together prior to marriage and jumping to conclusions that John most likely died prior to 1909.

I have a list of all the deaths in the right time frame and area so will try and match them up with the cemetery records then approach the libraries as suggested.  Great idea thanks

[Sam Swift]

What was John's father's name ?

[mackaa]

Hi Sam
Thanks for helping so much.  I have emailed Library as you suggested.  Given the time difference they do not open for another few hours but fingers crossed they might reply to me later - my time.

John's father was Thomas JONES, Colliery Timberman, deceased as at 1 Feb 1902 (marriage John JONES to Lily Alice WILLIAMS)

I have trolled the census records 1881 to try and find a likely connection (John was aged 25 at marriage in 1902).  But there are too many John and Thomas matches to be sure.

My friend who I am doing this research for is in his 90's and has health issues.  He has asked me to find out about his grandfather before he passes.  I would really like to solve this for him.  So really appreciate yours and others help
Melanie

[Sam Swift]

It's possible that names of witnesses to John's marriage to Alice may be helpful if you have those.

[mackaa]

I have tried so many times to upload a copy of the marriage entry but keeps saying file size is too big no matter what I do to it.
Witnesses to marriage of John JONES and Lily Alice WILLIAMS 1902 are
John PROBERT
Augusta WILLIAMS

Thanks again everyone
Melanie