Swan Hotel in Birmingham

[hanes teulu]

Maddys52 - thanks for the confirmation

[hanes teulu]

Several newspapers carried the following advertisement in September 1791

"RUNAWAY HUSBANDS
The OVERSEERS of the POOR will reward any person or persons who shall give them such information as may bring to justice the under - named offenders whose families are become chargeable to this town; ....
Birmingham Workhouse
Vestry Room, Sep 16 1791
...........................
William Kifs, chaser and buckle maker, about 5 feet 8 inches high, about 28 years old, slender made, brown hair tied, fresh complexion, two or three scars on his forehead; supposed to be in London.........................."

Any link to "your" William?

This baptism "fits" the above runaway -
William Kiss, bap 27 Dec 1763, place Birmingham, parents William and Mary but I note you have William Snr. marrying a Sarah.

[maddys52]

I think William and Sarah were the parents of William the publican/button maker. 

[Catherine61]

Thanks Colin for the maps and maddys52 & hanes teulu for extra sleuthing on the Kiss family. It certainly gets confusing when there are multiple William's in the same family. I have found:

- William Kiss (1701-1762) and Susan (nee Carter). His Will notes living in 58 Steelhouse Lane

- their son - William Kiss (1734-1779) and Mary (I have very little info on her). They have 8 children. Multiple Trade Directories as Publican at 84 Dale End (1770,1774,1775) & 1767 at Swan, Lower Priory. The 1777 entry as Button Maker (at Steelhouse Lane) should be this William, as his father is deceased and son is only 14.

- their son - William Kiss (1763-1836) and Mary (nee Hadnot). They are married in Shoreditch, London.

I have found from Chapman's Birmingham Directory, 1800, William Daniel Kiss, 19, Moor street, Birmingham, as solicitor. Should be related, but not sure how.

This last William (1763-1836) could be the runaway, makes him 28 in 1791.

Any ideas?
Thanks

[maddys52]

I have found from Chapman's Birmingham Directory, 1800, William Daniel Kiss, 19, Moor street, Birmingham, as solicitor. Should be related, but not sure how.

William Daniel KISS was baptised 1776 at Kenilworth to Thomas and Sarah KISS (on the parish register it has father as William crossed out and Thomas written above).

He can be found in the 1851 at St Mary, Newington with son William Daniel (c1805, London) and daughters Clementina (45) and Emma (40). "KISS and son" were solicitors in London - lots of mentions in the newspapers often in relation to appearing for bankrupts and insolvents.

Not sure if you can tie your William(s) to Thomas KISS in Kenilworth?

[maddys52]

Also, just found William Daniel KISS (snr) Articles of Clerkship in 1791 which states his father was Thomas KISS, "of Birmingham ... Chaser". (Not sure what a "chaser" was.)

[Jool]

Also, just found William Daniel KISS (snr) Articles of Clerkship in 1791 which states his father was Thomas KISS, "of Birmingham ... Chaser". (Not sure what a "chaser" was.)

According to this list of old occupations, a chaser was an engraver
https://rmhh.co.uk/occup/c.html

[maddys52]

Thanks Jool, good to learn ! And I should probably bookmark that list, looks very useful. 

[maddys52]

William Daniel (snr)'s wife was Clementina:

Baptism of Emma Matilda KISS at St Mary, Newington on 2 Jan 1812 (born 31 Aug 1809) to William Daniel and Clementina KISS.

Modified to add:
Clemntina Benser KISS buried 21 Mar 1840 aged 59 at St Mary, Newington. Her address was Gloucester Buildings, which is where William Daniel KISS and family are in 1841.