Can anybody throw any light on this unidentified mounted (WWI?) soldier ?

[kob3203]

Meanwhile going back to the mounted chap's cap badge. tonepad suggested Pembroke Yeomanry (reply #2 or Glamorgan Yeomanry (reply #6).

I've attached the bit of the photo with his cap badge at x4 zoom

In addition to the Pembroke and Glamorgan Yeomanries I found four other mounted regiments, one yeomanry and three cavalry, which had the Prince of Wales feathers as their cap badge: The Royal Wiltshire Yeomanry, 10th Royal Hussars, 12th Hussars (Prince of Wales) Royal Lancers, and the 3rd Dragoon Guards. I've attached scaled down images of the six mounted regiment cap badges for comparison.
Edited to add a couple of additional regiments:
Also the Australian Prince Of Wales Light Horse  (separate reduced size screenshot attached for comparison) - see reply 47+49
Also Denbighshire Hussars (separate reduced size screenshot attached for comparison) - see reply 51

Bear in mind that the cap badges do occasionally change design, but as far as I can tell these are the versions used in WWI.
Edited to add extra information from tonepad's post51:
- the 12th Royal Lancers cap badge shown here was only used until 1913 and the new badge was very different, so we can rule them out
- the mounted chap's cap badge shows the "Ich Dien" scroll plus a regimental scroll underneath. This rules out the Wiltshire Yeomanry (no regimental scroll) and the Australian Light Horse (boomerang instead of scroll)

I think that a parallel approach to identifying where this photo was taken might be to trace the postings of these seven regiments ?

Edited to add that tonepad pointed out earlier (reply #12) that the Pembroke and Glamorgan Yeomanries were posted to Egypt

[majm]

Earlier in the thread we learnt about the rifle - Lee Enfield Mark 3.  - so no earlier than 1913 on that model of that rifle.  They were still in use in WWII (as per one of my uncles).   They were manufactured in England, India and at the Small Arms Factory in Lithgow, New South Wales, Australia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee%E2%80%93Enfield

JM

[majm]

Meanwhile going back to the mounted chap's cap badge. tonepad suggested Pembroke Yeomanry (reply #2 or Glamorgan Yeomanry (reply #6).

I've attached the bit of the photo with his cap badge at x4 zoom

In addition to the Pembroke and Glamorgan Yeomanries I found four other mounted regiments, one yeomanry and three cavalry, which had the Prince of Wales feathers as their cap badge: The Royal Wiltshire Yeomanry, 10th Royal Hussars, 12th Hussars (Prince of Wales) Royal Lancers, and the 3rd Dragoon Guards.

I've also attached scaled down images of the six mounted regiment cap badges for comparison.

I think that a parallel approach to identifying where this photo was taken might be to trace the postings of these six regiments ?

The Prince of Wales feathers and the Australian 4/19th - their history goes WAY back .... not just WWII.   https://www.lighthorse.org.au/4-19th-prince-of-waless-light-horse/

JM 

[kob3203]

I am inclined to think the larger domed building looks like Hagia Sophia, except since the photo is so very faded, I am not sure if I can see the high towering minarets that are situated beside it. Anyway the shape of the dome reminds me of architecture of the Ottoman empire.

Has a weapon expert given you a date for that rifle? That might also be helpful to know.

My first reaction was that it could be some sort of grain silo.

But on further studying it I thought I could make out two tall slim towers that reminded me of the minarets of a mosque. Intriguing.

[kob3203]

Meanwhile going back to the mounted chap's cap badge. tonepad suggested Pembroke Yeomanry (reply #2 or Glamorgan Yeomanry (reply #6).

I've attached the bit of the photo with his cap badge at x4 zoom

In addition to the Pembroke and Glamorgan Yeomanries I found four other mounted regiments, one yeomanry and three cavalry, which had the Prince of Wales feathers as their cap badge: The Royal Wiltshire Yeomanry, 10th Royal Hussars, 12th Hussars (Prince of Wales) Royal Lancers, and the 3rd Dragoon Guards.

I've also attached scaled down images of the six mounted regiment cap badges for comparison.

I think that a parallel approach to identifying where this photo was taken might be to trace the postings of these six regiments ?

The Prince of Wales feathers and the Australian 4/19th - their history goes WAY back .... not just WWII.   https://www.lighthorse.org.au/4-19th-prince-of-waless-light-horse/

JM

After reminding myself that I shouldn't focus on just English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish regiments that is embarrasing ! 

In my defence, I'll try to shift the blame to the apparently incorrect mention of WW2 in the title here - https://www.britishmilitarybadges.co.uk/products/australian-prince-of-waless-light-horse-regiment-australia-cap-badge.html 

Reduced size screenshot attached for reference. Picture and edits also added to reply #45

[majm]

    

Nought to be embarassed about.

The Allies all seem to have had Horse regiments ... Gallipoli, Western Front, Palestine.... 


JM

[tonepad]

https://www.britishmilitarybadges.co.uk/products/royal-wiltshire-yeomanry-rwy-regiment-cap-badge.html

Royal Wiltshire Yeomanry can be eliminated, no regimental scroll under Ich Dien motto.


https://www.britishmilitarybadges.co.uk/products/ww1-12th-royal-lancers-regiment-cap-badge-2.html

12th Lancers had alternate cap badge, which was used after 1913


https://www.britishmilitarybadges.co.uk/products/australian-prince-of-waless-light-horse-regiment-australia-cap-badge.html

Prince of Wales's Light Horse can be eliminated, wrong shape of badge



https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323815975028

Denbighshire Hussars Yeomanry to be considered





Tony

[kob3203]

Thanks tonepad.

Whittling down the possible regiments based on cap badge rules out the Wiltshire Yeomanry, 12th Royal Lancers, and the Australian Light Horse.

A first google for "wwi postings regiment name" with the remaining regiment names comes up with the following (I've omitted the information on the Yeomanty units that didn't go overseas)

https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-yeomanry-regiments-of-1914-1918/pembroke-yeomanry-castlemartin/
Only 1/1st Pembroke (Castlemartin) Yeomanry were posted overseas
Pre March 1916 UK (November 1915 : dismounted)
March 1916 : moved to Egypt. On arrival the brigade merged with Welsh Border Mounted Brigade and formed the 4th Dismounted Brigade.
2 February 1917 : merged with 1/1st Glamorgan Yeomanry to form the 24th (Pembroke & Glamorgan Yeomanry) Battalion, the Welsh Regiment and came under orders of 231st Brigade in 74th (Yeomanry ) Division.
Moved to France in May 1918.

https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-yeomanry-regiments-of-1914-1918/glamorgan-yeomanry/
Only 1/1st Glamorgan Yeomanry were posted overseas
Pre March 1916 UK (November 1915 : dismounted)
March 1916 : moved to Egypt and formed 4th Dismounted Brigade with the Welsh Border Mounted Brigade.
2 February 1917 : merged with 1/1st Pembroke Yeomanry to form the 24th (Pembroke & Glamorgan Yeomanry) Bn, the Welsh Regiment and came under orders of 231st Brigade in 74th (Yeomanry ) Division. Moved to France in May 1918.

https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-yeomanry-regiments-of-1914-1918/denbighshire-yeomanry-hussars/
Only 1/1st Denbighshire Yeomanry (Hussars) were posted overseas
Pre March 1916 UK
March 1916 : moved to Egypt and formed 4th Dismounted Brigade with the South Wales Mounted Brigade.
February 1917 : formed the 24th (Denbighshire Yeomanry) Bn, the Royal Welsh Fusiliers and came under orders of 231st Brigade in 74th (Yeomanry) Division. Moved to France.

https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/10th-royal-hussars-prince-wales-own
10th Royal Hussars
The 10th deployed to the Western Front in September 1914,
remaining there throughout the First World War (1914-18) with 3rd Cavalry Division.
It fought in many battles including Ypres (1914 and 1915), Loos (1915), Arras (1917) and Amiens (1918).
(and from thelonglongtrail)
10th (Prince of Wales’s Own Royal) Hussars
August 1914 : at Potchefstroom in South Africa. Recalled to England and joined 6th Cavalry Brigade in 3rd Cavalry Division at Ludgershall.
8 October 1914 : landed at Ostende.
20 November 1914 : transferred to 8th Cavalry Brigade in same Division.
12 March 1918 : transferred to 6th Cavalry Brigade in same Division.

https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/3rd-dragoon-guards-prince-waless
3rd Dragoon Guards
The 3rd Dragoon Guards arrived on the Western Front in October 1914.
It remained there for the entire First World War (1914-18),
taking part in many engagements including the first and second battles of Ypres (1914 and 1915), Loos (1915), Arras (1917), Cambrai (1917), St Quentin (1918) and Amiens (1918).
(a lot more detail at thelonglongtrail)

So it looks like the UK, Egypt or France.

[ShaunJ]

Who do you think the mounted soldier might be? Do you have some names in mind?