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Babb/Myers/Nelson In Southern US
« on: Tuesday 05 October 21 17:10 BST (UK) »
Alright, this all started with Temperance Babb (1820-1883) m. circa 1843 to Peter Henry Myers (1799-1871).
The Babbs, being both infamous and prolific, are a well fleshed out line.

On Peter Myers, there is an unknown first wife, and he has an unknown father. His mother is Isabelle Kincart (1786-1826). While there is a Kincart line, there's not any satisfying information on her. Peter has a possible sister, Margaret K. Myers.

In trying to fill out what I could find about the Myers family, I came across Elizabeth Myers (1832-deceased), a daughter of Peter Henry Myers and the unknown first wife. Elizabeth married William James Nelson (1834-before 1870) in 1855. Although he has a clear parental line, again, there's just not enough information.

I use familysearch, primarily because it's fully free. Ancestry is not something I can currently afford.
I have looked on the greater web for hints, but not had luck. I'd say I'm hitting a brick wall, but there isn't even enough substance for that! I'm hitting a cheesecloth partition.

Bonus points if you can find any proof (or disprove!) that another child of Temperance Babb and Peter Myers, a Martha Lucinda Myers (1856-1932) ever married one Nathanial Leander Grant (deceased). It's documented she married John Spidle/Speidle (who ALSO has little info) but there seems to be family belief of a second marriage.

This is a very spotty corner of my tree, friends! Please send help.

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Re: Babb/Myers/Nelson In Southern US
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 05 October 21 22:52 BST (UK) »
A family tree has those 2 husbands names for Martha but the only document shown is probate for LW Grant 1910 which says Martha Grant widow.

You may already have this scant information but the actual will may have information that would help *

* didn't realise you could read it online!  It says Martha was 53 does that fit?
he leaves her 5 dollars and support from his estate as long as she lives and remains single"

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Re: Babb/Myers/Nelson In Southern US
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 05 October 21 23:04 BST (UK) »
1900 census she is Martha Spidle 42 widow.

Marriage 20 Feb 1901 Martha Spedle 42 to Leander W Grant 52 in Carter Oklahoma

There's a marriage in 1888 Martha Myers to John Spidle but don't know if your lady.  That was in Texas but scant information.
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Re: Babb/Myers/Nelson In Southern US
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 06 October 21 00:05 BST (UK) »
both Leander and Martha were of Lexington OK when marrying.
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other finds or not finds:
Isabelle Kincart may not be the same Isabelle Kincart (daughter of John Kincart) who married Jacob Bellis in Nicholas County, Kentucky on 29 March 1815. That lady needed her father's permission to marry (but did they all back then and there?) And in 1820 Jacob Bellis, age 16 to 25, is in Nicholas County with a wife 16 to 25 and 1 daughter.

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Is this your Margaret K Myers:
Margaret K Myers marries Asa Lyman 19 March 1840, Parke County, Indiana

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XFNN-8L8?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=K63V-QX3

If so, what was she doing in Parke Co, IN? Was she still living at home? If so, look in that county in 1840 for people named Myers. If you find one, see if you can trace him backward in 1830, 20, 10 to Kentucky, which is where Peter's census says he was born.

[but 1840 census was taken June 1, so Martha would not be in her father's household. still he might be in the county]

What is the source for Martha's birthplace being Lexington KY, as the tree on familysearch says? I did find her on a few censuses, but I forget. Was her birthplace said to be KY also?

Was your Isabelle Kincart really 13 when Peter was born? In another place and time I might rule it out but we're talking about KY in 1800.

In 1837 Peter Myers bought 40 acres in Stoddard Co, Missouri. presumably your man.  I browsed 1840 Census Stoddard County, Missouri, looking for Peter. he might be there but unreadable. some names are faded.
I found, image 16 of the county,
James Myres  male 30 to 40
 1 female 20 to 30,
3 young sons and 1 daughter

He might help you find Peter. I didn't look for him any further

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thanks for posting all the dates and names that you had. a location or two might have helped a bit though :)


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Re: Babb/Myers/Nelson In Southern US
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 06 October 21 02:31 BST (UK) »
A family tree has those 2 husbands names for Martha but the only document shown is probate for LW Grant 1910 which says Martha Grant widow.

You may already have this scant information but the actual will may have information that would help *

* didn't realise you could read it online!  It says Martha was 53 does that fit?
he leaves her 5 dollars and support from his estate as long as she lives and remains single"
1900 census she is Martha Spidle 42 widow.

Marriage 20 Feb 1901 Martha Spedle 42 to Leander W Grant 52 in Carter Oklahoma

There's a marriage in 1888 Martha Myers to John Spidle but don't know if your lady.  That was in Texas but scant information.

To support your finding-

Leander W Grant sued his wife for divorce in August 1899.

 "Leander W Grant, of Lexington, has sued his wife, Saphrona, for a divorce, charging that she has committed adultery...."

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LW Grant died in 1910

Purcell Republic
Thursday, July 28, 1910

L W Grant died at his home 8 miles southeast of Lexington, July and was buried at the Lexington Cemetery, July 21. Mr Grant was an old resident of Cleveland County and at the time of his death was living on a claim for which he ran at the opening. He had been a member of the Christian Church for about twelve years and at the time of his death expressed himself as ready to go Mr Grant leaves a wife and a host of friends to mourn his loss "The Lord giveth his beloved sleep” The funeral services were conducted by J H Wilkie.

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In the 1930 census, Martha is living with her sister-in-law Lucindie Myers. It appears Martha's maiden name was Myers, and Lucindie married her brother. The census also states Martha was first married at age 30. Based on her age given in the census, that marriage would have been in 1888. This would  match the marriage to John Spidle.

1930 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XC72-VS4

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Leaner W: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/55424390/l-w-grant

Martha M: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/55424368/martha-m-grant

Martha's DC is available for $15

https://ok2explore.health.ok.gov/App/DeathSearch

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Re: Babb/Myers/Nelson In Southern US
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 07 October 21 18:13 BST (UK) »
Martha K (Myers) Lyman is said to have died 30 August 1903 in Springfield, Missouri. Her death record might tell you her parents' names and birthplaces if it is filled in, and if the state will send it to you.

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Re: Babb/Myers/Nelson In Southern US
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 07 October 21 18:55 BST (UK) »
Martha K (Myers) Lyman is said to have died 30 August 1903 in Springfield, Missouri. Her death record might tell you her parents' names and birthplaces if it is filled in, and if the state will send it to you.

Martha at Find A Grave

Martha: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/15834363/margaret-k-lyman

Her husband Asa's memorial gives a bio with  more details about Martha K Myers and names her parents.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/15834339/asa-lyman

Martha's obit in 1903 gave no relavent information.

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Re: Babb/Myers/Nelson In Southern US
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 07 October 21 20:01 BST (UK) »
1840 Census Parke Co, Indiana,
their stamped page 132, their handwritten page 254
image 26 at familysearch

Peter Myers
2 males 5 to 10
1 male 10 to 15
1 male 15 to 20
1 male 40 to 50
1 female 15 to 20

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHB6-B7F

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Working backward, I then looked in Nicholas County, KY, since there was an Isabella Kincart there in 1815. (even if she isn't "yours" the name might have run in the family). There was this man whose family makeup matches the Peter Myers in Parke County, Indiana. If it is him, then his wife Isabella lived longer than 1826 as the tree at familysearch suggests (with no source).  That, plus there must have been more than one Peter Myers in America in 1830, means I wouldn't jump to conclusions that this is him:

1830 Census Nicholas County, Kentucky
their page either 26 or 203 or both
image 53 at familysearch

Peter Myers
1 male under 5
1 male 5 to 10
1 male 15 to 20
1 male 30 to 40
1 female under 5
2 females 10 to 15
1 female 30 to 40

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHPG-C3S

1820 Census of Nicholas County, Kentucky
Peter Myers
1 white male under 10
1 white male 10 to 15
1 white male 26 to 44
2 white females under 10
1 white female 16 to 25

1 person engaged in agriculture
1 female slave

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHLR-ZLK

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Re: Babb/Myers/Nelson In Southern US
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 07 October 21 20:30 BST (UK) »
If it is him, then his wife Isabella lived longer than 1826 as the tree at familysearch suggests (with no source). 
The tree cites ancestry.com as the source for Isabella (Kincart) Myers' death. There is a death of an Isabella Myers in 1826 on ancestry, but the lady was born in Massachusetts in 1792 and died in New York City. I wonder if that is the death people are citing for your Isabella's death.